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Looks like GW is looking for another cash grab from their Fanboyz.

$150 USD I think I will pass on this plus I already have enough Eldar Harlequins and Space Marines.

It is actually a pretty good deal. You get $140 USD of Harlequins in the set just by themselves.

It is another way to get into the game cheaply.

Funny I got more Harlequins back in the early 1990's for far less.

So no this is not a good deal except for GW.

In 1995 you could get a character model for $5.50 USD and two regular figures for $6.50 USD.

So the total price for just the Harlequins in that boxed set would be $44.50 USD

Then you have two jetbikes and a big jet bike thing in their too.

The big jet bike would be like a landspeeder which was about $17.99 USD in 1995.

The jet bikes I think were either $9.99 USD or $10.99 USD and they were single rider jetbikes.

Let's say they were $9.99 USD.

So that is $44.50 USD + $18 USD + $10 USD +$10 = $82.50 USD in 1995 dollars.

$82.50 USD in 1995 is $130.48 USD in 2016 dollars.

That means you are getting a Space Marine dreadnought, 5 assault marines, 5 tactical marines and marine character for less than $20 USD, plus the rules for the game.

And that isn't even including the fact that you get the Farseer too. I've only counted the Harlequins.

So you seem to be wrong on two counts here. One is that you got Harlequins for a lot less in the 90's. Two is that this isn't a good deal for anyone other than GW. If you want Harlequins and/or Death Watch marines, it is also a very good deal for the consumer.

I have 36 Eldar Harlequins and paid less than $50 USD total for all of them.

I also have over 150 Space Marines so I don't see a need to be forking over $160 USD+ for this when I already have more than what this set provides.

Oh and I said early 1990's not mid 1990's so your price are no where near being correct.

That box set was less than $25 USD and came with 21 miniatures.

You only needed around the 36 miniatures that I had to destroy your opponents.

There was a reason why GW got rid of Eldar Harlequins back in the mid 1990's.

They were just to powerful and killed Space Marines far too easy.

Got to a point where getting a game with them was impossible.

So just had to use my regular Eldar to kill Space Marines.

"That box set was less than $25 USD USD and came with 21 miniatures."

It came with 18 miniatures. Look it up. Even your own math confirms this.

"I also have over 150 Space Marines so I don't see a need to be forking over $160 USD USD+ for this when I already have more than what this set provides."

This is, of course, irrelevant to the overall value of the set. If the set were $5 USD and you don't need more marines you wouldn't be forking over $5 USD for them.

Plus the game is $150 USD, not $160. USD If you are paying more than $150 USD for it you are an idiot. GW won't charge you tax on it unless you live in their state and shipping is free on orders over $65. USD

The prices listed are not much different from the early 90s.

Even so your $50 USD in 1991 is worth $88.50 USD today. So the Eldar infantry figures in the box would cost about half that, or $44.25 USD

A land speeder, in 1988 cost 9.99 quid, or $17.57 USD. That would be $35.80 USD today.

So without the bikes, and we'll call those the balance you get for the four figures you aren't getting between the 14 you get in this set and the 18 you get in the Eldar set you claim was $25 USD, you still have $80 USD worth of today's money wrapped up in just the Eldar in the box. Minimum.

In 1988 you could get 30 simplistic marines for 9.95 quid or about $36 USD in today's money but it is difficult to compare those to the more modern figures which are superior sculpts. But lets say that is equivalent to the character, assault marines and tactical marines you get in this box.

That is then $116 USD without the dreadnought or the rules. I think the first dreadnought was released for the marines in 1995 but I might be wrong and it was 20 quid or $31.13 USD 1995 dollars.

So that is $47.65 USD in today's dollars.

Without the rules then and with some allowance for quality/quantity differences where exact matches can't be found, we are still looking at a $10 USD savings over the prices for the figures from the late 80's/early 90s with one model from the mid 90s.

The Harlequins are still being sold by GW in 1998. The reason they got rid of them was 3rd edition was released. Had they wanted to make them less powerful that would have been an opportunity to do so.

They probably got rid of them because the sculpts were a little static on a lot of the models and they wanted to redo them. I don't know exactly why they got rid of them.

If you are paying more than $150 USD USD for it you are an idiot

No, it is called living in a high sales tax state.

If I was going to buy these I would do so at the FLGS instead of GW direct.

So you always have to take in the impact from taxes.

This just looks like GW trying to get rid of a backlog of inventory and pick up more cash from their Fanboys by packaging this in a one off game.

Mithmee is actually a GW operative, hired to get on here and make stupid arguments, to allow Pictor's Studios to make the product look even better than it actually is!

I believe one thing that isn't factored in this discussion is the fact that the Harlequins back then were metal and certainly have a much longer shelf life than the plastic/resin stuff today.

They also IMO have a better feel to them in the hand then plastics.

Now lets keep that fact that metal miniatures are far better than GW miniatures of today, where it can take you up to an hour just to put one of those large miniatures together.

Sure it takes less time for the ones in this overpriced game.

These would only take around 5-10 minutes per figure so after taking several hours if not days (if you have to work etc…) to get them all together you can finally play a game.

This is just a GW cash grab since they need to show some type of profit after killing off WFB.

Oh and there are far better boardgames that cost far less out there.

I bought a truck with extended warranty and taxes for $12,500 USD in 1994.

Same truck is almost 3 times that now…:(.

+ 1 Codsticker! Yes, the fabled early days when stuff was so much cheaper.(please see sarcasm) Come on guys. Even back then GW stuff was a little higher then other lines. Granted not as much as it is now. It does seem odd the GW folks are using the Death watch again.

"This is just a GW cash grab since they need to show some type of profit after killing off WFB."

I would think that they wouldn't need that after AoS outsold WHFB over the last couple of years.

"I believe one thing that isn't factored in this discussion is the fact that the Harlequins back then were metal and certainly have a much longer shelf life than the plastic/resin stuff today."

They most certainly do not. Many of my metal figures have chips on them here and there. Plastic figures that I've had for 20 years nearly are still in pristine condition.

Plastic space marines are far more durable than their metal brethren.

"Oh and there are far better boardgames that cost far less out there."

See here you are comparing apples to pineapples again. This isn't a board game, it is a miniatures game.

"ven back then GW stuff was a little higher then other lines. Granted not as much as it is now."

GW prices aren't really that much higher, if at all higher, than the other high end miniature lines out there. If you compare GW prices against Infinity, Hordes, Warmachine or Malifaux you are going to see parity across the ranges.

With a lot of the GW boxed sets coming out and boxed games coming out you will actually see GW coming out on the low end for those particular products in many cases.