"Russell Square stabbings shock London" Topic

"A few dog walkers strolled around while commuters stopped to buy their first coffee of the day.

But just a few metres away along Southampton Row it was a very different story.

A 19-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a US citizen in her 60s was killed and five other people were injured in a knife attack…"
More here
bbc.com/news/uk-36976343

Amicalement
Armand

More Norwegian terrorism! When will we wake up and bomb these Jomsviking fanatics back to the Stone Age? Radical Norwegianism must be stopped before they establish the Pan-Scandinavian Jarldom!

Cheers.
Rod Robertson

Very tragic indeed.

Perhaps you could explain to me how this relates to wargaming and ultramodern warfare though.

Have to wait until the police go through his cell phone and laptop…

Police arrested a 19-year-old Norwegian national of Somali origin. They say there is no evidence of radicalisation.

Very, very, sorry to hear this. But as we saw in Germany recently … Deranged is an equal opportunity state of mind. Religion generally has little to do with it.

however, as we also see like with Daesh or AQ, etc., … Some of their heinous acts certainly do seem to be done by mad men or useful fools … or both … But I don't think this nut job is one of those.

Perhaps you could explain to me how this relates to wargaming and ultramodern warfare though.

You may be confused … you'll probably get more of that on the "Ultramodern Gaming" forums … Check it out … TMP link

That's the canned, standard speech now, by the authorities.

"These are not the droids, errr, terrorists you are looking for".

AND of course, some have conveniently left out that he's really a 19 year old Somali transplant living in Norway, and ISIS just called for attacks by their followers/sympathizers to be carried out in the UK, so…….

I don't think we will ever know their motivations.

Mako 11:

Since Louis Leakey's discovery of hominid remains in the Oldavai Gorge in Tasmania, it has been pretty clear that we're all transplants from Africa, yourself included. The immediate identification of people from Africa as radical jihadists is probably prejudicial, so let the facts develop before jumping to conclusions.

Balthazar Marduk:

We have a chance to find out something of the motivations of this killer because he was disabled by a taser and captured alive. Thus we have a chance, over time, of gaining insights about why he did what he did to his six victims. More the shame that so many other takedowns in Europe and America have ended in the deaths of the suspects ending the possibility of gaining insights into the whys of such deplorable attacks.

Cheers.
Rod Robertson.

Mr. Robertson,
As much as I can understand the "shame" of the fatal takedowns of the suspects in those attacks? Must we endanger the lives of LE and the public in trying to always take these folks alive? I am not always certain this is a good idea, doubly so in the case of fanatics. If we can take them alive, all well and good, but the safety of the public, and LE must come first.

Or as they say in Texas: "Some folks need killin'"

I see no problem in taking this bloke alive.

In the UK, tasers are only employed by firearms officers IIRC. Hence had there been a risk to the public, he'd have been shot. There wasn't, so there was no need to shoot him.

It's not as if it's not difficult to get out the way of a knifeman once you're aware of the threat.

He has no history of radicalisation and his choice of victims was random.

No story here from a terrorism standpoint that I can see. Just the actions of someone who is ill and who needs treatment.

Mako – by 'transplant from Africa' do you mean 'refugee'.

Because another one of those is probably going to be getting a gold medal as a proud Briton in Rio soon…

Mo Farah is as British as they come in my eyes.

M1Fanboy:

While LEO's are justified in using proportional, lethal force if suspects present an immediate and mortal threat to the public or the officer(s), the suspect is still that – a suspect and thus enjoys certain legal protections. Should a suspect 'need killin', that is a decision for lawmakers who make the legislation allowing capital punishment and the judiciary who apply those laws and sentence those found guilty to death. It is not up to police officers to be vigilantes and to enforce ad-hoc frontier justice in modern day America. Any LEO who does so is a threat to the public and to the rule of law and should be suspended, prosecuted and then, if found guilty, fired and punished according to the law.

I believe the reason why some fanatics are so dangerous is that they too believe that, "some folks need killin".

Cheers.
Rod Robertson.

Or as they say in Texas: "Some folks need killin'"

I very much agree, especially in a situation like this.

However, Rod is Canadian and stu from the UK. The more time I spend in TMP. The more I realize that many don't understand US culture, predilections, and just plain how we do things here. They just don't have the mind set or understanding of how we "root'n toot'n pistol pack'n Yank cowboys" see and do things.

They and others keep trying to put their values, morals, etc., on us. And almost "refuse" to see that we … "ain't like them". Just because we speak the same language …

I believe the reason why some fanatics are so dangerous is that they too believe that, "some folks need killin".

Yes, Rod we understand that … but that is why we shoot first if need be. Those fanatics that want to kill us just because we don't think as Daesh and AQ does. Means to many 'Mericans, that if they try or plan to kill us … we take them out first. That is a survivor's POV … not a victim's …

I said Somali, not African, Rod.

There is a difference, and here in the USA, many Somalis have traveled overseas, and/or returned home to the USA, radicalized. It's an epidemic. I'm not saying that, the FBI and Homeland Security are.

"More the shame that so many other takedowns in Europe and America have ended in the deaths of the suspects ending the possibility of gaining insights into the whys of such deplorable attacks".

No shame at all. I wish more were "neutralized" to use the PC term the Europeans seem to prefer, though killed works for me, so the taxpayers aren't saddled with the burden of paying to support them in relative comfort. No need to pay to take care of terrorist scum, other than the 50 cent bullet.

Rod, we know exactly why they're doing it, since they tell us openly, but many cover their ears, preferring not to hear, since it doesn't fit the narrative they want to believe.

since it doesn't fit the narrative they want to believe.

So true on so many situations that the USA faces today … and has for sometime …

Legion 4:

They and others keep trying to put their values, morals, etc., on us. And almost "refuse" to see that we … "ain't like them". Just because we speak the same language.

No one is trying to impose or to put foreign values or morality on the USA or anyone in the USA. This is a conversation, not an indoctrination session, no one is being forced to do or believe anything. The fact that some here react with intolerance to certain ideas or moral principles being expressed by foreigners is really at the root of the problem. It's a kind of new-world fundamentalism which leaves no room for other points of view and which gravitates towards calls for tribal solidarity and belligerence in the face of opposing points of view. There is no moral imperialism going on here, no attempt to establish alien ethical bridgeheads on sovereign US mentality. We're not planning some sinister ethical Anschluss, we're just talking, dude!

Yes, Rod we understand that … but that is why we shoot first if need be. Those fanatics that want to kill us just because we don't think as Daesh and AQ does. Means to many 'Mericans, that if they try or plan to kill us … we take them out first. That is a survivor's POV … not a victim's …

The problem is that the view quoted above is too similar in its basics to the views of fundamentalists from AL Qaeda, ISIL, the Taliban, etc. They too reject foreign values and are willing to use preemptive violence to take you out before your alien values can disable theirs. Thus the quote above is as intolerant, as fundamental and as dangerous as the poison spewing from radical Islamists or any other brand of fanatic.

No shame at all. I wish more were "neutralized" to use the PC term the Europeans seem to prefer, though killed works for me, so the taxpayers aren't saddled with the burden of paying to support them in relative comfort. No need to pay to take care of terrorist scum, other than the 50 cent bullet.

More fundamentalism and intolerance is evident here. Damn the rule of law and kill the 'bastids' out right, with no regard for American law or due process. The only constraint is the price of the ammunition to kill them, but at half a dollar a pop, we can do some real damage!

There is so much hatred and visceral anger implicit in these words quoted above that one might be forgiven for seeing the tendrils of an American Taliban zeitgeist in such utterances. The violent fanatics of the world are a very bad lot, no argument there, but what about the dark hearts closer to home. Do you really want to step into their shoes and proliferate fundamentalism and intolerance by joining their ranks, albeit with diametrically opposed enmity?

Rod Robertson.

And almost "refuse" to see that we … "ain't like them"

Which works both ways.

This man did not 'need killin'. He needs medical help.

He's no more responsible for his actions due to his illness than you are for spreading 'flu when infected.

I understand that Americans tend to regard shooting people as a first resort. I'm happy not to live in such a society. for a start, it's a damned sight safer.

Incidentally, the Met has another 600 armed officers trained up just in case we do get a bona fide attack as France has tragically suffered.

The downside of our police force being unarmed is that when something does occur, our officers can't simply shoot the loon dead as the French did in Nice.

Same true in Ireland – the Garda are unarmed. Though the PSNI officers in Northern Ireland are still routinely armed.

Though whether these days there's guns always near to hand in a given area I don't know.

Legion, with respect….."how we do things here"? I don't think you and many Americans seem to comprehend – or want to – how things happen elsewhere; you have to excuse me but to me it seems that you don't understand how we do things "here" either. Wherever here is.

Rod, nice try with the moral relativism crap, but it doesn't fly.

I'm very open, tolerant, and accepting of others, despite what you may think.

However, I do draw the line at those who are intolerant, and think I and others need to convert to their strain of Islam, or be enslaved, or killed. I also don't have a lot of patience for cultures that expect me to be open and tolerant of their religion, but are not of other peoples' religions and faiths, or lack thereof.

If a rabid dog attacked numerous people and killed one or more of them, it would be put down, and few would question that decision. I see these radical Islamic jihadis who attack and kill others without provocation in the same light (actually, that's not really fair to the rabid animals, who don't know any better, and are just acting on instinct, unlike the humans, who do). They need to be put down permanently, so they can't be released later by misguided individuals, to go out and kill or maim others again.

People ARE responsible and accountable for their actions, and others need to stop making excuses for them. Perhaps the person really is mentally disturbed, but Islamic fundamentalism/terrorism and mental illness are not mutually exclusive. The guy should never be free to walk again amongst others, even if he is "cured", since you never know when he might suffer a relapse.

Mako…given this particular person wasn't an Islamic terrorist, why bring it up? Or is the mere fact he is of Somali heritage enough for you?

If you are mentally I'll, as he is, you are NOT responsible for your actions.

Even America recognises that.

Sorry we didn't meet your low standards of 'justice'

Bangor, how do they know?

The authorities made an almost immediate claim it wasn't terrorism, right after the attack (just like in Germany – where they tried to claim the guy was a Nazi), without any due diligence, or investigation, to further a narrative.

"Nothing to see here – move along" seems to be the standard response from the authorities, which is just wrong.

I suspect it would take some time to investigate to determine if terrorism is really involved, or not, and if he "self-radicalized" due to news reports, social media postings, or other factors.

Shouldn't someone spend a little time looking into that first?

They thought the Nice attack was by a lone individual, but now many have been arrested, and last I heard, more than 10 people might be involved in that attack.

Sorry, just because you're mentally ill doesn't give you carte blanche. The perp is still responsible for his actions, but perhaps there are mitigating circumstances.

That's like saying a drunk driver, or someone high on drugs isn't responsible for killing people when they run them down with their car.

Someone might want to look into this about the guy, but I'm sure the authorities may decide it as no bearing on the case, is purely coincidental, doesn't fit their narrative, and may decide to bury the evidence, instead:

link

"However, Heat Street has found evidence that a person using the same name – Zakaria Bulhan – has listed at least one book advocating violent jihadism in their personal account on the Good Reads website since 2014".

"An exhaustive search of UK records by Heat Street shows there is only one person in the whole of Britain with the name Zakaria Bulhan".

The attack is being characterized as a "spontaneous assault" by the authorities.

Not familiar as perhaps I should be with London's residents, and cultural practices.

Is it common for people to carry knives in London, and to just attack large groups of people, spontaneously, in the dark of night?

Reminds me of the claim the attack on our consulate in Benghazi was a spontaneous demonstration, even though the people there were carrying assault rifles, RPGs, and mortars with multiple rounds of ammunition.

Mako…how.do they know?

Well I'll make a guess they know more than you.

Probably he's known to the authorities as someone who is mentally ill. If he has a computer it won't take long to look at.

First reports were that terrorism couldn't be ruled out. That changes quickly which shows the investigation progressed.

It seems very nuchnthat you are simply aching for another terrorist attack to pontificate about.

Being mentally ill does mean.you have no responsibility. Even the USA accepts that.

Blaming a mentally disturbed person makes as much sense as blaming you when you get flu.

Drunk people have a choice to drink.

You don't volunteer for mental illness.

This individual will be charged, convicted if guilty and treated, probably in Norway.

It's what civilian nations do.

And if he can be cured, why not release him?

And your response that he listed as a Good Read, a book on violent jihadism is?

(to be fair, I did add some more details to my posting above, so perhaps Bangor hasn't read that)

How will you know when he's "cured"?

What if the "experts" are wrong?

How many more will he kill and maim the next time he gets a chance, if they are wrong?

Perhaps you should volunteer to give him a place to stay in your home, once he's released.

Not all of us Americans are as . . . provincial, I guess, is a good word for it . . . as some of the other posters here.

I've traveled extensively overseas, and on my own dime, not Uncle Sam's. Maybe that's the difference.

jpattern2:

I agree. My mum was an American and most of my surviving relatives are Americans and they most definitely would not sanction summary execution of terrorism suspects to save money, hassle or time. That way lies madness and the end of the republic. Americans are good and generous people and deserve better than the policies being implicitly and explicitly advocated by some.

Cheers and thank you.
Rod Robertson.

Mako 11:

You say you are tolerant and I do not know you well so I will not contradict you on that. But, based on your statements on this thread, the words you have written are expressing profoundly intolerant principles. You have written that you want the US state to neutralize/kill terrorist scum rather than arrest them in order to relieve taxpayers of the burden of paying for due process under the law. How would that work in a city like Dallas where many citizens can carry military-grade semi-automatic weapons under open-carry laws. In the event of a Mumbai-style terrorist attack would the police be justified in shooting armed Americans they mistook for terrorists? If extra-judicial killings are allowed for terrorism offenses, what about gangsterism or racketeering? Should police squads move into ghettos, barrios and onto private rural land to eliminate armed suspects by extra-judicial killing if they are linked to allegations of terrorism?

You wrote of terror suspects:

If a rabid dog attacked numerous people and killed one or more of them, it would be put down, and few would question that decision. I see these radical Islamic jihadis who attack and kill others without provocation in the same light (actually, that's not really fair to the rabid animals, who don't know any better, and are just acting on instinct, unlike the humans, who do). They need to be put down permanently, so they can't be released later by misguided individuals, to go out and kill or maim others again.

So you advocate the summary killing of people today for what they might do tomorrow based on what they are alleged to have done yesterday but which was not proved in a court of law? That is a Franz Kafka nightmare world you are conjuring and the vast majority of the Americans I know would want nothing to do with it.

There will always be risk and there will always be terror and terrorism. There isn't a 'magical-Orkin man' who can cleanse humanity of its more predatory and base impulses. A state which is powerful enough and also mandated to protect you from all that you fear will ultimately become your greatest fear and will probably be the cause of your demise or servitude. A wise and worldly man once warned Americans gripped by terror that you have nothing to fear but fear itself. Rein in your amygdalae and let your reason and compassion be a better compass to guide you through the troubled waters of today. As Frank Herbert and Legion 4 would no doubt remind us, "Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.".

Rod Robertson.

Mako… given you have a reasonable chance of developing a mental illness perhaps we should just have you killed now.

You know…just to be sure? I mean, whereas a psychiatrist may say currently you're OK, you correctly point out they do get things wrong.

So 're your affairs in order?

So, no response to the link and possible evidence the guy was advocating for people to read radical jihadi publications, like he had apparently done.

Ignore the evidence, and resort to personal attacks, instead.

Predictable.

Legion, with respect….."how we do things here"? I don't think you and many Americans seem to comprehend – or want to – how things happen elsewhere; you have to excuse me but to me it seems that you don't understand how we do things "here" either. Wherever here is.

Yes, I understand that … and the US has to remember that many don't want to be like the USA. But many still want to come over here. For some reasons ?

Rod, nice try with the moral relativism crap, but it doesn't fly.

I'm very open, tolerant, and accepting of others, despite what you may think.

However, I do draw the line at those who are intolerant, and think I and others need to convert to their strain of Islam, or be enslaved, or killed. I also don't have a lot of patience for cultures that expect me to be open and tolerant of their religion, but are not of other peoples' religions and faiths, or lack thereof.

Rod … I agree totally with Mako's statement … especially the moral relativism …

jpattern2

Not all of us Americans are as . . . provincial, I guess, is a good word for it . . . as some of the other posters here.

I've traveled extensively overseas, and on my own dime, not Uncle Sam's. Maybe that's the difference.

Please more intellectual academic statements ? And I didn't join the US ARMY to see the world on Uncle Sam's dime. I have dealt with this attitude before from other Americans as well as some others like here on TMP. Maybe we thought that joining the military was the right thing to do. Maybe that's the difference. But somehow you have the "eggs" and skewed belief system to say " on Uncle Sam's dime" ! Geez ! What is it, the 1960s again ?

I have not heard such an allusion of anti-military feelings for a long time. Remember the military helps keep you and your type safe. And allows you to make such comments because we support the 1st Amendment, etc., … So continue on, there are those who have paid for your type to make such statements …

Americans are good and generous people and deserve better than the policies being implicitly and explicitly advocated by some.

Easy to be said, from your POV. The military obeys lawful orders from legally elected civilian leadership.

Which works both ways.

This man did not 'need killin'. He needs medical help.

And he'll probably get the help. At the cost of another innocents life. I guess that is the trade off.

Rod, stu, JPat … I again agree with Mako again. But we are so provincial and I rustic and in some opinions redneck. And not as intellectual and morally evolved or globalists as you "educated" types.

Ignore the evidence, and resort to personal attacks, instead.

Predictable.

And Jpat … let me give this right back at you as you said to me on another thread here. "The real reason for your complaint is pretty obvious." When you tried to say I was anti-Gay and a racist. TMP link …

And let me remind all of you … in my first post … " Deranged is an equal opportunity state of mind. Religion generally has little to do with it.

However, as we also see like with Daesh or AQ, etc., … Some of their heinous acts certainly do seem to be done by mad men or useful fools … or both … But I DON'T think this nut job is one of those. " …

And my agreement with what is said in Texas. Was that if someone had got him under positive control or shoot him while he attempted to kill a complete innocent. Then we wouldn't be having this debate. And again since we can't read minds … this sort of tragedy will happen again … regardless.

Mako..that book wasn't a book on violent jihad. It was mainstream Islamic theology.

Of course you probably conflate the two…

This story has now fallen off the news feeds in the UK. Had it not been for the current climate it wouldn't have been reported nationally.

I know you think ever Muslim is an American hating lunatic but it simply isn't true. Muslims just occasionally go off the rails.

This bloke isn't a Muslim extremist anymore than any of the hundreds of American mass killers are Christian ones.

I know you think ever Muslim is an American hating lunatic but it simply isn't true. Muslims just occasionally go off the rails.

No one thinks that. But by you keep saying that. And it plays into another skewed narrative that fits your beliefs. Right or wrong … it is you opinion …

The two are frequently not mutually exclusive, Bangor.

A pity such horrific knife attacks are so mundane to you.

Yep, "nothing to see here, move along".

The 19 year old Somali immigrant (who is not Muslim, or Islamic, according to some), who posted references on Islamic books to read a couple of years ago (which may or may not reference and promote radical jihadism), and then went out and killed one American and wounded five others in a "spontaneous" knife attack (not preplanned – he just happened to have a knife on him), in response to ISIS' calls for attacks in the UK, near where a memorial to another 50+ people were killed in another radical Islamic attack occurred, is just a coincidence. Not a copycat attack of others in the UK, or those in Germany that have occurred in recent weeks.

Sure, I believe all that is just a coincidence (heavy, dripping sarcasm, in case you couldn't tell).

Ah well, there's always the discovery of the large IRA weapons cache found near Belfast, to replace it, in the news, I suspect. Then again, perhaps that just is a cache created by some people with mental issues too.

Nice try Bangor, with putting words in my mouth, but it doesn't fly.

I won't push the button on you, even though I should, for your ridiculous, and unfounded personal attacks.

A pity you can't argue without having to resort to that.

Bangorstu:

Mako 11: wrote:

I won't push the button on you, even though I should, for your ridiculous, and unfounded personal attacks.

A pity you can't argue without having to resort to that.

Mako 11 is right in this regard. Attack the argument but not the person making the argument. Personal attacks only poison the discourse and shut-down the debate. They achieve nothing and undermine the valid arguments made by all POV's in a discussion.

Rod Robertson.

Well, here goes nothing, ho for a brevet or the DH, you may say….

This post – and many like it – always goes the same way, with mutually reinforced stereotypes of gung-ho, gun loving, terrorist shooting, Americans and the purblind, overly moralising, peacenik Europeans who are happy to allow the tyrant of the hour trample all over them until the clean eyed, stern jawed sons of liberty put down their ploughs and take up the sword to save the blah blah blah…..

Rubbish. I think we all know that those cliches are utter rubbish.

Were we to bump into each other at the FLGS we'd probably get on because we'd be…..deep breath…..be talking gaming. Yes, discuss this but with your mates in the pub or wherever. This does not help resolve the issues but it does mean we talk politics and bicker when this should be a refuge from the unceasingly awful real world. Turn off the board ? OK let's all do that – Tango, stop posting news and ask a question that doesn't relate to current affairs. Don't you ever worry about official sideburn length in the BAOR c1973? I'm sure someone here knows.

Allow my inner RSM to loudly suggest we all "SHUTUP!"

Thank you. Actually, no, just shut up. All of us. Now .

This post – and many like it – always goes the same way, with mutually reinforced stereotypes of gung-ho, gun loving, terrorist shooting, Americans and the purblind, overly moralising, peacenik Europeans who are happy to allow the tyrant of the hour trample all over them until the clean eyed, stern jawed sons of liberty put down their ploughs and take up the sword to save the blah blah blah…..

Rubbish. I think we all know that those cliches are utter rubbish.

Yeah … pretty much … but some seems to like the endless debate. And as I have said many times on similar threads. We all say the same things and posted the same things and reply in the same way. Then sometimes I post a beating "a dead horse icon ….

from the unceasingly awful real world

Indeed … it could only get worse if aliens invaded or a zombie outbreak.

Don't you ever worry about official sideburn length in the BAOR c1973?

Good question … I've never thought about that ?

But bottom line … I'm still not sure if I want to forgive you Red Coats for burning down the WH in 1812. Or the Canucks for repulsing numerous US attacks in the AWI and the War of 1812 … Hmmm ?

Ah … just for old times sake …

It's a little known fact that George III had shares in a white paint factory with a struggling export book. You be the judge…..

Hmmm ? Who knew !?!? But some will still think we should put on for even considering such a thing !

There was an "official" sideburn length for the BAOR?

Do tell.

Probably mustache regs as well.

I thought facial hair in the U forces was banned, to ensure those gas masks would get a tight seal.

Were handle-bar mustaches permitted in the BAOR?

So Mako you are now rising back on your claim that this man was reading radical material? Progress at least..

He probably is Muslim. Who cares? The important thing is that just about the most experienced counter terrorist police force outside Israel says he's not a terrorst, just sick.

Looking at his phone and computer, plus of course talking to medical authorities wouldn't take long, in the UK at least.

You have failed to link him to ISIS. The police have specifically said he had nothing to do with them.

Therefore I find it reasonable to assume your only notice for making the fallacies link is his alleged faith.

That an American was attacked was random. It's a tourist area. And yes knives aren't banned in the UK. So why you find his possession of one odd is also a mystery.

Again, knife crime is common in London. But it's safer than guns and you don't seem phased by the tens of thousands affected by that in your own country.

So to recap you've made arguements based on nothing but this man's religion….

Incidentally, given the day before the Net has unveiled a while bunch of New armed officers in urban combat kit and we'd be warned a major attack was a matter of 'when, not if' I have no doubt that if this was an Islamic attack we're be told.

The lunatic fromast year has just been jailed for life BTW.

Now if you do need an Islamic attack to worry about look no further than Belgium where a couple of police have been attacked by a machete wielding loon yelling appropriate slogans….

I suspect the dead woman, her husband and family/friends, and the others attacked by this radical care.

I don't care if he's a practicing Muslim or not, but it does seem he's a wannabe terrorist who's killed and maimed others, and he fits the profile of a young, disaffected, male terrorist.

I'd like to have a gun, if confronted with a guy like this, for my own protection, and the protection of others, as is afforded by my Constitutional right under the 2nd Amendment, which our forefathers established, in their brilliance, centuries ago.

Usually, spontaneous attacks don't include the preplanning to carry a knife to the scene of the crime(s). On this side of the pond, that's called premeditation, and planning.

One doesn't have to yell a slogan to be an Islamic jihadist, especially when some governments ignore or downplay those facts anyway, even when reported by other Muslim eyewitnesses.

Yea, keep drinking the Kool-Aid, Bangor.

Again you use the term 'radical' without the slightest shred of evidence.

Interestingly an almost identical incident happened in Tel Aviv yesterday. Thenonly difference be on police dealt with the man before he could stab anyone.

Now Mako, is that man a Jewish terrorist?

"Unceasingly awful real world". . ."couldn't get any worse". .
I'm going to stick my neck out here,and inject something from last night's news,also from the real world.

See if it makes you feel any better:

youtu.be/8KxVmoelkhs

So, just a normal, run of the mill, London mass-murderer wannabe then.

Glad he succeeded in only killing one person, and wounding five others, but that's one and five too many, respectively.

Once again Bangor, your personal attacks and conclusions are ridiculous, but not unexpected.

Hadn't heard about the Tel Aviv stabbing, but I guess he could be a "terrorist".

As I'm sure you well know, Bangor, usually in Israel though, the people stabbing others, blowing people up, shooting, or running innocents down with their vehicles of late have been radical Muslims, and not Jewish attackers.

The Jews have mainly been their targets.

So no,eh?

Well,you can always watch it in the Dawghouse .

Hagen for the win! Haha!

You guys in the DH, I left my ball and glove there. For ya' … I'm surprised Bill has not found anything yet to send me back in again … But the day is young …

It seems some here … well … because of our POVs, experiences, training, schooling, etc. Could get into a debate/argument about the Big Mac vs. the Whopper. Then someone will bring up about the new BK hot dogs … And then it all goes to … Darn it ! Now I'm going to go to Taco Bell !!!!