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tsofian Sponsoring Member of TMP27 Jul 2016 3:43 p.m. PST

I continue to work on these great little landers from


As folks may recall these were originally part of the Traveller Laserburn line from TTG. I bought a bunch of them when they were on sale to form three squadrons of Germano-Dutch landers for Hive, Queen and Country. To do this I will be adding a top deck and a turret.


I decided to work on my resin casting skills and made a top deck from scrap plastic and space hatches. This then became the master for a one piece resin mold.




I still need to put hatches on the turret, add a weapon or weapons to it and add props to the stern. I am thinking in terms of weapons either a short 75mm howitzer (like early German MK IV tanks) a 37mm Hotchkiss Rotating Cannon, or two water cooled machine guns. What do folks think?

Mute Bystander27 Jul 2016 6:11 p.m. PST

One of each per flight of three?

kidbananas27 Jul 2016 10:05 p.m. PST

I really like the idea, but the turret you selected doesn't work for me. Maybe a French or British interwar/early war turret would look better. I also think the 37mm rotating cannon is a must.

Lion in the Stars27 Jul 2016 10:54 p.m. PST

Hotchkiss rotating cannon, definitely.

tsofian Sponsoring Member of TMP28 Jul 2016 5:41 a.m. PST

The French cast turrets didn't look right. I put on some British cruiser tank ones but I wanted a German turret. I tried Panzer III but they looked small. To me these looked good BYMMV.

A lot comes down to personal taste .

pvernon Supporting Member of TMP28 Jul 2016 1:08 p.m. PST

How about a P II turret with the Hotchkiss, or it too small?

tsofian Sponsoring Member of TMP28 Jul 2016 3:38 p.m. PST

I think a Panzer II turret would be too small for a 37mm HRC. You need room either for the loader to crank it or for a motor of some kind. Also the ammunition feed and for a gunner. Also, and this is my personal taste here, I like the size of the Panzer IV turret. The spaced armor makes it look bigger but not too much bigger. To my eye this just seemed to balance. Again, this is to my eye.

Covert Walrus08 Mar 2017 1:13 p.m. PST

Any more progress? :)

tsofian Sponsoring Member of TMP15 Mar 2017 3:22 p.m. PST

I am about to start!

tsofian Sponsoring Member of TMP20 Mar 2017 2:24 p.m. PST



The turrets are either Gaming Models British cruiser tank or Battlefront Panzer IV and the guns are shapeways 37mm HRC barrels. The deck is scratch built and then resin cast



Cacique Caribe21 Mar 2017 8:35 p.m. PST

Holy cow, that looks like quite an impressive fleet!


tsofian Sponsoring Member of TMP22 Mar 2017 3:38 p.m. PST

That is only part of it! There is an American Squadron and a British one as well.

Plus some other squadrons and several heavier vessels as well.

Come to Origins and take command of a squadron!

tsofian Sponsoring Member of TMP25 Mar 2017 3:42 p.m. PST

Here is the British squadron


The models are from Gaming Miniatures!


Covert Walrus16 Apr 2017 2:15 p.m. PST

Spectacular work there!

tsofian Sponsoring Member of TMP16 Apr 2017 3:22 p.m. PST

Thanks Walrus!

John Treadaway17 Apr 2017 8:35 a.m. PST

That is very impressive!

John T

tsofian Sponsoring Member of TMP17 Apr 2017 3:24 p.m. PST

Thanks Mr Treadaway

TheBeast Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2017 4:39 p.m. PST

I'm still on the other side of the quibble about the German turrets, but everything else looks jake.

The Brit flying boats look especially fun. The quibble about too stubby wings died on my fingers… ;->=

As always, of course, all quibbles are likely to expire after the finish paint.

Oh, boy, I can hardly wait. Even if it's another three quarters of a year.


tsofian Sponsoring Member of TMP18 Apr 2017 12:50 p.m. PST

the wings are more for control than lift, because the vehicles have aerolith panels for that purpose

tsofian Sponsoring Member of TMP27 May 2017 4:06 p.m. PST

The paint is applied. Three squadrons are ready for Origins!



Tom H. did the painting for me, and he did an excellent job!

TheBeast Supporting Member of TMP28 May 2017 9:18 a.m. PST

…the wings are more for control than lift,…

Ergo 'died on my fingers..' Some realizations are almost immediate, some take DAYS… ;->=

Tom H. did the painting for me, and he did an excellent job!

Again, if you're looking for an argument, don't look at me. Well done, Tom!


tsofian Sponsoring Member of TMP28 May 2017 3:00 p.m. PST

If the Beast approves it must be right!

tsofian Sponsoring Member of TMP20 Feb 2018 3:32 p.m. PST

Since I've put these in operation I've had an issue with the Hotchkiss Rotating Cannon barrels. I drilled the mantels and used the breeches of the 3D printed as pegs, but the material tends to be brittle and they keep breaking.


I've ordered a bunch of barrels from TVAG and think these metal ones will be much more durable. I'm hoping to get these all decalled up perhaps even add propeller disks before Origins.

Covert Walrus23 Feb 2018 2:55 p.m. PST

Looking better every time! dr pepper

Cacique Caribe23 Feb 2018 3:04 p.m. PST

Amazing conversions! They're like small flying forts.


tsofian Sponsoring Member of TMP23 Feb 2018 3:17 p.m. PST

Thanks gents!

TheBeast Supporting Member of TMP24 Feb 2018 10:22 a.m. PST

Continued 'Oh, boy, I can hardly wait.' Though, you didn't have to spare my feelings to make my 'Even if it's another three quarters of a year.' more or less correct… ;->=

Further scrolling through comments brought me up short with

If the Beast approves it must be right!

I will point out that is NOT a common sentiment!


tsofian Sponsoring Member of TMP24 Feb 2018 2:08 p.m. PST

Actually these were at this stage in time for Origins last year, so only a couple of months after your post. I'm not sure I posted too much about the Origins game, since I didn't really like the terrain I put out last year very much.

This year, with the new terrain I hope to really put on a spectacular game. I already modified my flight stands, replacing the previous ring shaped weights with a couple of pounds of buckshot and super glue in each stand.

I may also change the stands up and replace the screw tops with magnets so they will be easier to take off for landings. I'll be putting on decals and possibly propeller disks as well.

tsofian Sponsoring Member of TMP02 Jun 2018 3:39 p.m. PST

Just to remind everyone, these and many other models and miniatures will be out on the tables at Origins! That is in less than two weeks!

tsofian Sponsoring Member of TMP13 Dec 2018 3:54 p.m. PST

I regunned the turrets. The 3D printed guns looked great but were a tad fragile.

The metal gun barrel assemblies are from TVAG's Rough Riders support set. Patrick was nice enough to sell me the 18 I needed without carriages

Here is old and new, side by side

The newly regunned turret on a Dutch version.


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