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Tango0126 Jul 2016 10:06 p.m. PST

"The scene: U.S. troops carry on hostilities to "liberate" a nation. As the confrontation wears on, the public (and finally the American soldiers themselves) come to doubt both the U.S.'s aims and its ability to win. Ultimately, the troops are recalled; when peace is declared, it is evident that in terms of resources and human lives, the U.S. was defeated. Vietnam? Iraq? How about Canada! Contrary to popular notions of U.S. history, the Vietnam War was not the first war that the U.S. lost (or perhaps more accurately, failed to win). That distinction belongs to the War of 1812, a war fairly unfamiliar to most U.S. citizens today, and one which in its day was as controversial as the Vietnam War was in its time.

Our grade-school history books claim that the main cause of the war was that U.S. ships trading with Napoleonic France were being hassled by the British. This activity did occur, for Britain was at war with Napoleon at the time, and U.S. commerce was aiding France at the time. However, the British repealed the orders to search U.S. ships a day before the U.S. declared war. Granted, communication was slow at the time, and the U.S. did not learn of the fact until five weeks later. But why, if this was the case, did the U.S. remain at war for two and a half years? A desire to expand beyond the Appalachian Mountains was one of the primary reasons for going to war against Britain in 1776 (Britain had declared that no settlers could legally penetrate this barrier), and the country's desire to expand was invoked as justification for wars against Canada, Mexico, Florida and the native Americans throughout the country's early history. In 1812, the U.S. attempted to take over Canada, which was still in British hands at the time. Britain would likely have defeated the U.S. swiftly had had they not also been involved in war in Europe.

American Dissent
The War of 1812 was very unpopular at home. Many Americans sympathized with Britain in its war against Napoleon. The Declaration of War against Britain, on 18 June 1812, passed 79-49 in the House and 19-13 in the Senate. Only 3 of New York's 14 representatives voted for war. Of 50,000 slots authorized in the U.S. Army, only 10,000 volunteers came forth.

Anti-war sentiment ran highest in New England, led by the Federalist Party. Perkins (see further reading below) notes that upon declaration of war, "In many New England seaports church bells tolled a dirge, shops closed, and ships' flags flew at half-mast. Bostonians hissed two prowar congressmen, and another was mobbed at Plymouth." Massachusetts Governor Caleb Strong even attempted secret negotiations with Britain with a plan (supported by Federalists) for New England to secede from the Union!…"
More here
lutins.org/1812.html

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Glengarry527 Jul 2016 12:26 p.m. PST

Not that I disagree with the main thrust of the article wouldn't "America's first defeat" have been the Battle of the Wabash (AKA St.Clair's defeat) in 1791 against the First Nations of Ohio?

Tango0128 Jul 2016 12:50 p.m. PST

Good point my friend.

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Rudysnelson29 Jul 2016 1:24 p.m. PST

why do foreigners forget about the key territorial gains in the Southeast. As well as the opening up of the northwest (Midwest now) due to the British abandoning their forts. When you are talking long term territorial gains, it was not a loss or a tie but a clear win for the Americans.

For those who do not know an added bonus was the vast gold fields in Alabama and Georgia gained due to the war. Much of it was in the lost Creek territory of east central Alabama. Did you think Jackson did the Trail of tears over an old grudge. No, he expelled the tribes from gold bearing land that they had not seized before.

The were the largest gold fields in America until the California gold strike. Yes there is even still gold here but regarded as a quality too poor to mine.

Royal Marine31 Jul 2016 9:40 a.m. PST

I'm not a foreigner … you are!! ;-)

Rudysnelson04 Aug 2016 8:42 a.m. PST

LOL, depends on prospective. Some of my ancestors were poor Loyalist. LOL. Outside the USA, I would be one but here where the topic is about, I am not. I live in the area of the Creek War of 1813-14 within an hour's drive of five battlefields and ten minutes of old gold fields and towns. Old stories are common about the war.

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