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Wolfhag22 Jul 2016 10:40 a.m. PST

As heroic tales of civilians continue to emerge since the failed coup attempt in Turkey, one story in particular is drawing a lot of attention, anti-coup protesters managed to stop military tanks heading to Istanbul's Ataturk Airport on July 15, the day of the coup, by filling the vehicles' exhaust outlets with their clothes, according to the protestors themselves.

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I imagine it would work on WWII tanks too.

Wolfhag

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse22 Jul 2016 10:45 a.m. PST

Hmmm … interesting technique …

Weasel22 Jul 2016 10:48 a.m. PST

It's only a bad plan if it fails :-)

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse22 Jul 2016 10:49 a.m. PST

Seems to have been effective …

Inkpaduta22 Jul 2016 10:59 a.m. PST

I "barely" believe it.

Weasel22 Jul 2016 11:08 a.m. PST

For once, the battalion laundry squad get a +1 to do something.

Mako1122 Jul 2016 11:16 a.m. PST

Worked for what's his name in Beverly Hills Cop – though he used bananas.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse22 Jul 2016 12:06 p.m. PST

Well there you go !

Wolfhag22 Jul 2016 12:07 p.m. PST

From "Tank and AFV News" website:
Tank Warfare on the Eastern Front: An Interview with Robert Forczyk

How do your experiences as an armor officer shape the way you approach your historical writing?

I learned a great deal about operating, fixing and breaking tanks that I never could have learned from a book. For example, did you know that you can knock out a tank with a T-shirt? I found out the hard way, when somebody's T-shirt got ingested into my air cleaner boxes, which starved the engine to the point that it died and we couldn't re-start it. Finally, we found a T-shirt plugging the air intake. I learned that little things can often have big impacts.

Wolfhag

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse22 Jul 2016 12:11 p.m. PST

Hmmm … so you're saying that this guy is saying because he had previous experience with tanks he knew what to do.

That can't be true … too many on TMP say otherwise ! Because … they read about … don't you know ? huh?

PrivateSnafu22 Jul 2016 12:33 p.m. PST
SteveZodiac22 Jul 2016 1:29 p.m. PST

That only works if they aren't shooting at you!

cwlinsj22 Jul 2016 1:30 p.m. PST

This also works.

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…although it may be a promo still of Vin Diesel's Fast & Furious 28

Patrick Sexton Supporting Member of TMP22 Jul 2016 2:10 p.m. PST

Unless you are in China…

Zargon22 Jul 2016 2:59 p.m. PST

That will teach them Crimeans… No wait… That one succeeded. Oh well turkey for dinner again.

Mithmee22 Jul 2016 6:54 p.m. PST

Yes you can and Erdogan has done actually that.

There was no Coup.

Norman D Landings23 Jul 2016 1:59 a.m. PST

I remember reading about early WWII infantry anti-tank tactics – along with Molotov cocktails and the like; spreading petrol-soaked blankets or curtains over the engine cover was advised.

I reserve judgement on its efficacy, and I would hide in a cupboard rather then attempt it.

Supercilius Maximus23 Jul 2016 5:55 a.m. PST

This also works.

World's Worst Hide & Seek competitor?

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse23 Jul 2016 9:00 a.m. PST

LOL ! Some very funny comments. I remember at Inf Ofc Basic in '79. We were each put in a concrete reinforced foxhole. And then an M60 MBT ran over you. And you had to pop-up with an expended LAW and fire at the M60's rear. As it passed. To get us used to when the massive amounts of Warsaw Pact armor rolled across the West Germany border and headed for the Channel ! huh?

Mark 1 Supporting Member of TMP23 Jul 2016 12:00 p.m. PST

We were each put in a concrete reinforced foxhole. And then an M60 MBT ran over you. And you had to pop-up with an expended LAW and fire at the M60's rear.

They seem to have improved the safety of the training program … my father told me that when he was in the tank destroyer command in WW2 they had to dig their own foxhole, get run over by a tank and pull out their bazooka to shoot it in the rear.

Imagine the foxhole you'd have to dig to get a full sized bazooka down there with you.

And imagine how long it would take to get a bazooka ready to fire at the back of the passing tank. Unlike a LAW you could not prepare the bazooka to fire before popping up. You could not store it vertically if it was loaded (the rocket would fall out the back), so you had to load it AFTER you had popped up out of your foxhole. So in case the implication is not obvious -- that foxhole you dug had to be big enough for TWO of you, in addition to being deep enough for a bazooka, and still had to have sufficient structural integrity to withstand the pressure of the tank rolling over you.

And then there was always the question of the second tank…

All this for support staff as well as vehicle crewmen. He was trained as a NCO supply clerk, but the crews of the M18 Hellcat TDs were trained to fight tanks with bazookas (and mines) too.

My father didn't seem to think much of the tactic. But it seems he found the training quite memorable.

-Mark
(aka: Mk 1)

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse23 Jul 2016 5:28 p.m. PST

Yes, I agree with all that Mark. It may been more geared towards making us not be "terrorized" by attacking tanks ?

And of course you still had to make sure your LAW back blast area was clear. I.e. the rear of the LAW tube was clearly out of the foxhole. Or you might get a bit "toasted" … frown

Weasel24 Jul 2016 9:15 a.m. PST

Reminds of the scene in "13th company" or whatever the Russian movie is.

The paratrooper sits in the hole, tank drives over and they have to hit it with an anti-tank mine after it crosses.

The guy pisses himself and the rest laugh at them, until the sergeant yells "You can Bleeped text yourself, you can cry for your mother as long as you complete the mission".

Good times.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse24 Jul 2016 9:33 a.m. PST

Sounds like a realistic movie … And no doubt in a combat action that would be a very "tense" situation … huh? Very glad I only had to do it once in training !

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