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Druzhina18 Jul 2016 11:05 p.m. PST
Green Tiger18 Jul 2016 11:08 p.m. PST

Thanks, very interesting!

idontbelieveit19 Jul 2016 5:31 a.m. PST

Terrific! Thanks! I have been building up a Venetian army and used the "S" logo on a bunch of the guys. I guess that wasn't far wrong.

davbenbak19 Jul 2016 8:54 a.m. PST

Is it a serpent on a staff instead of an "S"? I have seen that with the serpent in green. Surely they are not mercenaries with dollar signs! Also confused by the image on the banner of the horns.

Swampster19 Jul 2016 10:22 a.m. PST

There have been debates about the meaning of the symbol but it is an S over an I.
See link

The design on the trumpet banners is Malatesta's heraldry.
link shows a couple of variants. The trumpets have the double elephant crest. The shield only carries the design of the first quarter of the shields i.e link

Druzhina19 Jul 2016 11:14 p.m. PST

This category includes, in the Chapel of the ancestors, Malatesta elephants and howdah with coats of arms (on the sides) and portrait.
I haven't seen another version where the elephants face different directions.

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Great War Ace20 Jul 2016 8:24 a.m. PST

A stylized femur, encircled by a coil of ribbon, or veil? The similarity to the "dollar sign" is merely coincidental….

Whiff of grapeshot22 Jul 2016 9:04 a.m. PST

The "S" intwined with "I" could well represent the initials of Sigismondo Malatesta and Isotta degli Atti.
Isotta was Sigismondo's third wife which would date the badge between 1456-1468.

SI from the Malatesta Temple

Swampster22 Jul 2016 9:49 a.m. PST

link discusses the symbol.
The Sigismondo and Isotta theory is discussed but this particular site believes it refers only to the first two letters of Siggy's name, citing e.g. a 1909 paper.

Regardless whether it is just his name or the names of the couple, or even a mysterious word known only to a few (which has been suggested), the symbol is interpreted as the two letters, not as representing anything else.

(The dollar sign is also probably a combination of letters though it is sometimes suggested it is from one of the columns of Hercules shown on Spanish coins).

Great War Ace23 Jul 2016 7:13 a.m. PST

I go for the romantic version, Siggy and Issy….

Whiff of grapeshot25 Jul 2016 12:48 p.m. PST

Swampster – a good link and I suspect you are right.
Great War Ace – and a great excuse to include the fair lady on the command base!

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