
"Italians in the livery of Sigismondo Malatesta, 15thC" Topic
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Druzhina | 18 Jul 2016 11:05 p.m. PST |
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Green Tiger | 18 Jul 2016 11:08 p.m. PST |
Thanks, very interesting! |
idontbelieveit | 19 Jul 2016 5:31 a.m. PST |
Terrific! Thanks! I have been building up a Venetian army and used the "S" logo on a bunch of the guys. I guess that wasn't far wrong. |
davbenbak | 19 Jul 2016 8:54 a.m. PST |
Is it a serpent on a staff instead of an "S"? I have seen that with the serpent in green. Surely they are not mercenaries with dollar signs! Also confused by the image on the banner of the horns. |
Swampster | 19 Jul 2016 10:22 a.m. PST |
There have been debates about the meaning of the symbol but it is an S over an I. See link The design on the trumpet banners is Malatesta's heraldry. link shows a couple of variants. The trumpets have the double elephant crest. The shield only carries the design of the first quarter of the shields i.e link |
Druzhina | 19 Jul 2016 11:14 p.m. PST |
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Great War Ace | 20 Jul 2016 8:24 a.m. PST |
A stylized femur, encircled by a coil of ribbon, or veil? The similarity to the "dollar sign" is merely coincidental…. |
Whiff of grapeshot | 22 Jul 2016 9:04 a.m. PST |
The "S" intwined with "I" could well represent the initials of Sigismondo Malatesta and Isotta degli Atti. Isotta was Sigismondo's third wife which would date the badge between 1456-1468. Thus:
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Swampster | 22 Jul 2016 9:49 a.m. PST |
link discusses the symbol. The Sigismondo and Isotta theory is discussed but this particular site believes it refers only to the first two letters of Siggy's name, citing e.g. a 1909 paper. Regardless whether it is just his name or the names of the couple, or even a mysterious word known only to a few (which has been suggested), the symbol is interpreted as the two letters, not as representing anything else. (The dollar sign is also probably a combination of letters though it is sometimes suggested it is from one of the columns of Hercules shown on Spanish coins). |
Great War Ace | 23 Jul 2016 7:13 a.m. PST |
I go for the romantic version, Siggy and Issy…. |
Whiff of grapeshot | 25 Jul 2016 12:48 p.m. PST |
Swampster – a good link and I suspect you are right. Great War Ace – and a great excuse to include the fair lady on the command base! |
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