"Akinci and Deli" Topic
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clibinarium | 13 Jul 2016 5:49 a.m. PST |
I am working on some Ottoman figures and I'm a bit confused over these troop types. I understand they are both light cavalry and that the Akinci are around first, being disbanded after a disastrous action in which they were mostly destroyed at the end of the 16th century. Their role is then mostly taken over by the Delis (though the two may have been around simultaneously) I have a good picture of what the Delis looked like; animal skins, eagle's wings etc, the more outlandish the better. But I am not sure what the Akinci looked like; I have see some suggestion that they look pretty much identical to the Delis, others that they are more conventionally dressed Ottomans (i.e turbans and caftans). Any views? |
idontbelieveit | 13 Jul 2016 6:16 a.m. PST |
There's a pic in Heath's vol 2 of armies of the middle ages. I found this link on a forum: link |
Phillius | 13 Jul 2016 1:09 p.m. PST |
I seem to remember reading that Delis were often bodyguards of provincial governers. Might have been the Heath book, but I cannot be sure. Akincis were basically Turks who wanted some loot. Not sure about the disbanded at the end of the 16th century bit though. Hadn't heard that before. Is this the bit where I confess to having built and sold three Ottoman Turk armies in the past…………… |
HANS GRUBER | 13 Jul 2016 3:51 p.m. PST |
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HANS GRUBER | 13 Jul 2016 3:54 p.m. PST |
Heath's two volumes of "Armies of the Middle Ages" are my favorite WRG publications. I think any unarmored eastern (Anatolian) sipahi with bow could be used as an Akinji. May I ask what scale of figures? |
Druzhina | 13 Jul 2016 11:11 p.m. PST |
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clibinarium | 14 Jul 2016 7:15 a.m. PST |
Thanks for the thoughts so far. Figures are in 15mm and intended for the middle/later 16th Century. |
Druzhina | 14 Jul 2016 10:37 p.m. PST |
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00 JET 00 | 20 Jul 2016 2:34 a.m. PST |
For cost and convenience, I'm planning on using GB Plastic Arab Light Cavalry box set to build a few units of early Akinji. Close enough as far as I'm concerned, especially if you stick to certain heads and are willing to make a few minor modifications. |
Puster | 23 Jul 2016 11:55 p.m. PST |
Akinci were cavalry mainly used for raids – where "raids" could mean 15000 of them in a major operation devastating and depopulating whole regions. Their task was reconaissance, foraging and spreading terror (so that enemys would yield rather then fight the main army). They were expected to act independently in units of any size. Delis were used with the main army and in battle. While still classed as light in European terms they would be the main battle cavalry for the Ottomans, together with the Sipahis. Afaik there is no good represenation for either in miniature for the early 16th century. For the later era you will find some good minis with TAG in 28mm. I also plan to mix up some GB Arabs with parts of the Fireforges Mongols and Russians and a good deal of Greenstuff to get Ottoman cavalry units for the Mohacs & Vienna campaign. BTW: The largest battle not fought between Ottomans and Europeans was said to be avoided in 1532, when both Suleyman and Charles assembled armies around 100000 strong. At the Steinfeld a large host of Akinci was trapped when they raided too deep into Austria during this campaign, with some 12000 of them killed. One of the lesser known battles of the era. |
Henry Martini | 24 Jul 2016 5:40 p.m. PST |
Akinjis were commonly used to screen the main battle line, as at for instance, Mohacs, and skirmish with and disorder the enemy first line in preparation for its clash with the spahis. |
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