"Napoleonic Bavarian Chevaulegers Trumpeter Colors" Topic

Doing a quick check on Bavarian Chevaulegers and noticed the print on Cantler's site has the trumpeter in reversed colors. picture

While another web site has the trumpeter in a dark green coat with button colored lace on the sleeves and around the lapels. link

I've seen a third source for a later period with a second coat for the trumpeter in a reversed color for "gala" events. On Histofig, they say the coat was the same green as the troopers... link

Which is correct?

Was it the same for the Dragoons?

I seem to remember that Adam or Faber du Four sketched a Bavarian chevauxleger regiment (in pencil) crossing a river and showed trupeters in contrasting colours, with false 'sleeves' down the back and a dark-over-light hanging horsehair plume. I'll try to find where I saw it, but I know I painted my chevauxlegers based upon that sketch.

The Bavarian Chevaux Legers had reversed colours. Red Facings would have trumpeter with a red coat and white facings etc.

Stephen

But AB figures have extra sleeves but no idea what to do with them and also the German musician wings

No straightforward answer on this as there were variations (extracted from Rawkins):

Known Individual Regimental Trumpeter's Uniforms

Kürassier-regiment Nr 1
Unsigned print in the Erik Karlsen Smythe collection
1800-1804 Scarlet coat with white facings on the collar, cuffs and turnbacks and scarlet turnbacks with white
trim. White lace edging to the collar, cuffs and lapels. Buttons of white metal. Bicorn hat with white lace trim and tall scarlet feather plume.

Dragoner-Regiment Nr 1 & Dragoner-Regiment Nr 2
After Hoffmann
1804-1811 Scarlet coat with white facings on the collar, cuffs and turnbacks and scarlet turnbacks with white
trim. White or yellow lace edging to the collar, cuffs and lapels. Buttons of regimental colour.

Chevauxleger ‘König'
J Cantler & J A Drexler
1806-1811 Trailing red horsehair plume on the raupenhelm.
Poppy-red coat with dark green collar, lapels and
cuffs and poppy-red turnbacks edged poppy-red.
White lace edging to collar, cuffs and cuff-flaps,
white metal scaled epaulettes 1804-1810.

Chevauxleger ‘König'
H Boisselier & Rene North
1811-1813 Tall scarlet feather plume on raupenhelm. Dark
green coat with poppy-red collar, cuffs, turnbacks and lapels. Silver lace trim to the collar, lapels and upper edges of the cuffs. Scaled contraepaulettes.

Chevauxleger ‘Bubenhofen'
J A Drexler & Wolf Graf, Hoffmann
1807 White feather plume to raupenhelm. Red coat with black collar and cuffs and turnbacks piped red. Red lapels with three rows of eight buttons each with a white twisted braid galon. White fringed epaulettes. The collar trimmed at the top and leading edges with gold lace (possibly the
korporal-trompet).
1812-1814
1812: Red coat with black collar, cuffs, cuff flaps and turnbacks piped red, collar, cuffs and lapels edged with white lace. White fringed epaulettes. Also shown with bicorn hat, light blue coat faced black with white lace and white metal contra-epaulettes in 1814 by Hoffmann and erroneously labelled as Regiment Nr 4 by Drexler.

Chevauxleger ‘Minucci'
H Boisselier & Rene North
1811-1813 Red trailing horsehair plume. Scarlet coat with
dark green collar, cuffs, cuff-flaps, lapels and turnbacks all trimmed with white edging. Dark green ‘wing' dummy sleeves at the rear of the coat edged white. White full fringed epaulettes

Chevauxleger ‘Prinz Taxis'
H Boisselier
1811-1813 Red trailing horsehair plume. Scarlet coat with
white collar, cuffs, cuff-flaps, lapels and turnbacks
all trimmed with yellow edging. White ‘wing' dummy sleeves at the rear of the coat edged yellow. White full fringed epaulettes

Chevauxleger ‘Kronprinz'
H Boisselier & J A Drexler
1811-1813 Red trailing horsehair plume. Cornflower blue coat
with black collar, cuffs, lapels and turnbacks all trimmed with white edging. Cornflower blue cuff flaps. Black ‘wing' dummy sleeves at the rear of the coat edged white. White full fringed epaulettes.

Boisselier planche

I did once a bit research on that

Trumpeters
This is quite a special topic; the trumpeter did wear two kinds of uniforms (at least in some regiments) which caused a lot of confusion.
First I describe the "usual" dress, it was the usual green tunic but had at the rear at each shoulder so called Trompeter Flügel , trumpeter's wings in the facing colour edged with metal lace.
Also there was a lace around the collar, the lapels and the cuffs, the staff trumpeter's had double lace.
There is a print of Adam, CL crossing a river which shows also the rear of the tunic and the wings quite well.
However some regiments – had for special parades – trumpeter in different uniforms, like Regiment König in blue with black collar and a hat (see again Adam on that)
The first regiment and the second had red tunics for their trumpeter, the first one with green facings the second one with white ones, the 4th as mentioned above a blue tunic with black facings and a hat.
Now, what about the red plumes, again this is speculation and also the style of them, I would go for Adam.
The interesting point is however, that Adam shows for regiments König, in 1807 at Posen, clearly also those trumpeters in the special uniform, they are behind the two officers who take a hand shake and are two brothers.
So, what about in later campaigns, some experts believe that the staff trumpeter still did wear such a special uniform, even on campaign.
The trumpet was quite long and carried on a one cm thick cord across the shoulder with two tassels.

Many thanks VW.

Here is the Johann Andreas Drexeler drawing after Anton Hoffman for Bayern. 4. Chevauleger-Regt. Trompeter. 1814-1826 at link

Another Boisselier of the Konig Regiment

Wolf Graf drawing of "Trompeter 4. (Chevaulegers) Rgt. 1807; 1811 6. (Chevaulegers) Rgt." at link

Thanks for all the detailed Info.
14Bore, when I made the AB Chevaulegers trumpeter back in the 90s I had limited information, and didn't realise that only some regiments used the "wings", and presumed they also might have the "swallow's nests"… I don't think I had any actual illustrations to work from.I might make a new one.. !
The wings are actually "Hanging Sleeves", a relic from the 17th century which somehow survived on trumpeter's liveries in some places.

Yes – those hanging sleeves, exactly as Anthony Barton points out a relic of 17th century – it survived also for the Saxon Army till 1807, a complex topic quite unique for some German armies.

I had 2 plates to start from, Borodino showed a trumpeter from 4th and a battle painting with officer and troopers from same so having no particular unit in mind went with them. Made green with silver trim on back of trumpeter.