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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian27 Jun 2016 8:05 p.m. PST

Rick Priestly and Andy Chambers for Rogue Trader?

John McEwen for Starguard?

Lou Zocchi for his Star Trek game with minis?

Katwerks Supporting Member of TMP27 Jun 2016 8:22 p.m. PST

John McEwen

53Punisher27 Jun 2016 8:31 p.m. PST

Rick and Andy for RT.

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP27 Jun 2016 8:44 p.m. PST

Rogue Trader (1987) was very very late to the game.

Frank Chadwick and GDW released Striker in 1981 for the Traveler universe.

Martian Metals released the first miniatures for Ogre in 1979.

Starguard (1974) wins.

Stan Johansen Sponsoring Member of TMP27 Jun 2016 8:49 p.m. PST

John McEwen for Starguard

Bunkermeister Supporting Member of TMP27 Jun 2016 9:00 p.m. PST

John McEwen for Starguard.
Bunkermeister

Sloppypainter Supporting Member of TMP27 Jun 2016 9:03 p.m. PST

John McEwan for Starguard. Rules and figures for Starguard were pretty cool back then.

rmaker27 Jun 2016 9:06 p.m. PST

Zocchi's Star Fleet Battle Manual (1972) predates Starguard (1974), and both take precedence over Rogue Trader (1987).

kidbananas27 Jun 2016 10:45 p.m. PST

But RT made it cool.

Personal logo John Treadaway Supporting Member of TMP27 Jun 2016 11:57 p.m. PST

Zocchi

MHoxie28 Jun 2016 1:48 a.m. PST

20 quatloos on Zocchi and McEwan.

Personal logo Patrick R Supporting Member of TMP28 Jun 2016 1:52 a.m. PST

Laserburn (1980) by Bryan Ansell is the precursor of Rogue Trader.

IIRC FGU published rules for Flash Gordon

Gygax had a set for Barsoom games in 1974 link

Rick Priestley28 Jun 2016 1:56 a.m. PST

There was also Spaces Marines by A Mark Ratner (77) and Skytrex did an Sf ship game to go with their resin spaceships IIRC – might have been Lou Zocchi though.

But the father of SF wargaming was… H G Wells… obviously :)

ZULUPAUL Supporting Member of TMP28 Jun 2016 2:10 a.m. PST

McEwan for sure

Mute Bystander Inactive Member28 Jun 2016 3:29 a.m. PST

McEwan for me. FGU bought rights and republished A. Mark Ratner's rules (I have copies of both) I believe.

Both formed/deformed my views of SF war games that linger even today.

Ney Ney28 Jun 2016 3:52 a.m. PST

Bryan Ansell for Laserburn.

Paint it Pink28 Jun 2016 4:03 a.m. PST

H. G. Wells wrote the first set of wargame rules and the novel War of the Worlds. He's the spiritual father of SF and imaginations.

RavenscraftCybernetics Inactive Member28 Jun 2016 4:56 a.m. PST

Lou Zocchi/Rus Meyer

Are they one and the same? you be the judge!
you never see them at the same convention together!

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Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP28 Jun 2016 5:41 a.m. PST

The earliest SF rules I have are Galactic Warfare by Dave Rotor, published by Skytrex in 1973.

That's a year earlier than Starguard!

I've had this discussion before ! grin

Darkest Star Games Sponsoring Member of TMP28 Jun 2016 7:55 a.m. PST

HG Wells. He made rules and miniatures waaaaay back in the day. Don't think he sold the minis though… lol.

Hafen von Schlockenberg Supporting Member of TMP28 Jun 2016 8:26 a.m. PST

Don't think he ever did a War of the Worlds game,either.

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP28 Jun 2016 8:38 a.m. PST

But RT made it cool.


No, that would be Battledroids (1984)/BattleTech (1985) =^,^=

Dan 055 Inactive Member28 Jun 2016 8:57 a.m. PST

John McEwan for Starguard

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP28 Jun 2016 12:05 p.m. PST

But RT made it cool.

No – Laserburn made it cool. Laserburn was a big thing (in the UK!).

Patrick Sexton Supporting Member of TMP28 Jun 2016 1:49 p.m. PST

Zocchi and McEwan in the States.

HesseDarmstadt62 Inactive Member28 Jun 2016 2:40 p.m. PST

Yep--Star Guard with both McEwan and the really old Grenadier SF line were the first SF ground games I played, back in the mid-1970s in Dayton, Ohio. We were also huge fans of Zocchi's "Alien Space" game, played with large counters on the floor (and with strings in the middle of ships that you used to "fire" on degree headings to determine hits). Ah, good times.

regards, HesseDarmstadt62

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP28 Jun 2016 4:35 p.m. PST

Really shows the UK/US divide – I remember reviews of Starguard, but I don't think I ever actually saw a copy.

Personal logo Weasel Supporting Member of TMP29 Jun 2016 2:26 p.m. PST

Growing up in Denmark, I never saw a copy of Starguard or talked to anyone who played it, ever.

Laserburn wasn't really a precursor to Rogue Trader, the rules are completely different.
What happened is that while writing the game, Ansell offered Priestley that he could borrow the weapon lists and such, which is exactly what happened.

Personal logo COL Scott ret Supporting Member of TMP29 Jun 2016 8:06 p.m. PST

I will take a moment to suggest Sci-Fi gaming is only popular because of Sci-Fi novels and movies.

So I am nominating Heinlein, Halderman, Puornelle, Drake, Card and Lucas.

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP30 Jun 2016 4:46 p.m. PST

For Laserburn the inspiration was very clearly Judge Dredd – so that'd be the comic 2000AD.

Personal logo Patrick R Supporting Member of TMP01 Jul 2016 5:26 a.m. PST

Technically GW was the game division of 2000AD for many years …

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP01 Jul 2016 6:03 a.m. PST

Lol thumbs up

They did do Judge Dredd (boardgame & Miniatures) and had a Strontium Dog range at one point IIRC – were they 40mm figures ?

Micman Supporting Member of TMP03 Jul 2016 9:41 p.m. PST

I vote for John McEwan. Mind you I have only played Starguard in the last decade and didn't know about it till the 90's. But it is fun to play his game at his house! :) Word is he is working on a new version.

My playing experience would be Lou Zocchi's Star Trek Minis for my first gaming buys.

Reviresco Sponsoring Member of TMP04 Jul 2016 10:54 a.m. PST

Starguard is still alive and growing. The 42nd year 7th Edition is now available in print from tin-soldier.com or by download from link 180 pages for only $10.00 USD.

There are very few games from the '70's that are still in print and are still supported.
John McEwan

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