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A girl is Arya Stark of Winterfell. Take that Walder.

King in the North!

I will miss Margaery.

Oh no. Not Dorne again.

But still no Lady Stoneheart.

Geez, what was the body count there? Lots of mostly satisfying results and what a set-up for next season.

Yes, I wasn't willing to believe that Cersei's Big Green Middle Finger was, in one way or another, going to obliterate much of the supporting cast! What a headcount. We're definitively heading for the third act.

I'm not sure how she will justify her position on the Iron Throne. And I hope Jamie will realize what a black hole she really is.

And I do hope Miss Greyjoy doesn't tell any of her reaving shipmates the deal she struck with Danni. That's not gonna fly too well.

And the Wisdom of Jon Snow yet again:

-He could let Davos Kill the Red Witch. Justice is served!

-He could spare her so that she might aid them against the Night King. Fire vs. ice, makes sense to me.

-He could banish her, deny Davos his revenge, and now she's no good to nobody. Brilliant!

When I run for President, I want the Maid of Bear Island to nominate me.

I agree with the OFM.

Right now the Maid of Bear Island is the baddest of the Northern Barons and my new favorite supporting character. My only regret is that somehow the plot couldn't be contrived to have her kick Tomens wussy butt before he did the Red Keep 50 meter high dive.

Season 7 had better not kill her off or I will be truly and righteously miffed.

When I run for President, I want the Maid of Bear Island to nominate me.

Too right!

FAN-TAS-TIC episode…I saw it twice!…. I'm loved with Lyanna Mormont too!… so I guess I would have a duel with John because of her… (smile).

About your prediction my dear friend John the OFM… you were quite near…!

Tommen the First of his Name – Out!
Loras Tyrell – Out!
High Sparrow – Out!
All the above from Cersei's pyromania – All Out!
Melissandre – Exiled
Dolorous Edd (the Wall is going to collapse on him)- Not for the moment
Walder Frey, for insulting Jamie's honor – Arya justice – Out!
Assorted Freys and Rivers – 2 sons – Out!
Did Karstark survive? Not tonight ???
Pycelle and Kevan, just because the show should do at least SOMETHING from the book. Maybe Qyburn does it. ???

I expect a bloodbath.- More than you expected!

Best episode ever!… specially enjoyed the fly of the Sparrow and the death rattles of Old Frey… also the same for the Old F… Master of the Chain in the hands of the little birds…

Some stupid questions if you allow me…

a) Where is snow the white wolf?
b) Which is that city with the big tower and library?. In which place it is?
c) With the Freys killed and the coward who deliver his castle in jail… who command that Area?
d) Cercei (master of evil)… can be Queen?… what would Jaimie do about that?.
e) Who is going to oposse Dany Army?… only the Lannisters?.
f) Dorne have a fleet?… and their Army also sail with Dany?… how that was possible if you see the big map?.
g) What about the spells that made imposible to the zombies to even be near the Wall?… how they managed to pass througt them?

Thanks in avdance for your guidance.

The king in the North!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Armand

a) I don't know.
b) Oldtown. It's way down south but not quite Dirne.

As for the rest, who knows? Details for next season? Aegon the Conqueror had no legitimate claim to rule but only what his dragons gave him.

Thanks John!…

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Armand

Looks like Ma Ma sent her message to the High Sparrow.

When I run for President, I want the Maid of Bear Island to nominate me.

Heck I would want her to nominate me for anything, you can't lose with Lady Mormont in your corner. Who needs dragons when you have the fiercest pre-teen on the planet?!?

You have to say that King Tommen did a graceful dive and really nailed the Landing.

Do you mean ''Ghost'' Jon Snows direwolf ???

The Maid of Bear Island is amazing and so is the young lady getting the role of a young lifetime. She has to be the most popular supporting cast member on the set. What a hoot!

I got the impression that in Dany's final scene they had Varys standing behind her but digitized it to look like Grayworm.
It didny quite look as thin as Grayworm but was definitely a bald guy.
Did anyone else get that impression?

That is Varys, I suppose enough time must have passed between scenes for him to make it back to report the local support or he rejoined with the fleet on route.

I see we (sort of) get confirmation that Joh Snow isn't Ned's son.

Is it wrong that I had a little chuckle at Tommen's leap of faith.

Is there anybody left who has a claim to the throne apart from Dragon girl, while Cersei really doesn't have much a claim neither does any other noble house at this point….seems like the heirs have all been disposed of.

It was pretty incredible. I didn't expect Tommen's swan dive and what a shock that, after all, Cersei didn't really care that he was dead. But it looks as though she will be toast. Dany's Army now is her 3 Dragons, Arya's Iron Born, the Unsullied, her Dothraki Khal, Dorne and the Tyrells. An alliance with Jon and the North should be easy to get as well. And possibly Jaime as well. I don't think that Cersei makes it to Season 8.

Maergery's death surprised me.

Is there anybody left who has a claim to the throne apart from Dragon girl, while Cersei really doesn't have much a claim neither does any other noble house at this point….seems like the heirs have all been disposed of.

No one aside from Dany and Jon and the rest of Robert's Bastards like Gendry. Dany is the only legitimate heir.

I was surprised that Varys was able to make it back from Dorne to join the fleet in progress. GOT plays pretty fast and loose with travel times, as Varys was definitely in Dorne after Cersei blew up the Sept, but still got back to the fleet in time to join it.

They seemed to give the impression that Arya never learned the faceless man trick before departing for Westeros. Did the head of the faceless men train her off camera as a parting gift?

Little Finger seems just fine with Jon being king in the North so that he can seal the deal with Sansa. I was glad she apologized to Jon for basically letting his whole army go off to die without telling him about the Knights of the Vale. How does Sansa feel about this?

No one is talking about R + L = J? They basically confirmed it! That's huge, and sadly a bit of a let down since everyone called it ages ago. Jon has a claim to the Throne (though at this point, you need your head examined to actually want it).

I was sad to see Dorne join with Dany. I was hoping against hope the next we'd see of Dorne it would be in a post script "And in Dorne, nothing happened." I never like the side quest into Dorne and the sooner they get written out of the story, the better. I loved the smack down dear Emma Peel (Diana Rigg) gave to the Sand Snakes.

I'm sad to not see Natalie Dormer going forward. I've been a fan since the first time she disrobed for good old Henry VIII in The Tudors.

Speaking of disrobing, I suspect we'll see Melisande giving dubious advice to Dany and coming back to haunt the King in the North and Sir Davos.

Where is Brienne and Pod in all this? They got sent on a wild goose chase? Who rules the Frey lands now that Arya went all Godfather on them?

What does Jaime think now that Cersei is queen and his only remaining son is dead? Will he be the Queenslayer?
How do the rules of succession work in Westeros? How can Cersei legitimize her reign?

And the key, and most important question? Will the next book be finished now after or before Season 7 concludes? How many will even care?

I may get the book as a curiosity piece, but as far as I am concerned, the show is now canon.

"Do you mean ''Ghost'' Jon Snows direwolf ???…"

Yes, my mistake with the animal name…

Anyone take note that the situation of Cercei and Jaime show some similitaries with Cleopatra and Marc Antony?…

Arya… is travelling to Winterfeld?… maybe she can reunited with her brother/sister?… or she continue with the hunting/list?…

Don't remember well, but Jaime wasn't in the list?.

Another good ending for bad guys/gils was the female Sparrow… (smile)… what the monster did to her?… the scene of Cercei with … "Shame"!…"Shame"!… was great!.

For a moment I think that Margaery could be safe… she understand the "game"… but the stupid Sparrow kill them all!…

Why Tomen comited suicide?… because of his love with Margaery?… because her mother massive murder?… because he take note he was a puppet?…

Apart for the Lannister Army… which other Army/Kingdom could support Cercei?… Seems there are not many there…

Seems that Dany invations would be only a walk to Kingslanding…

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Armand

Between Tyrion battling Stannis, and Cersei vs the Sept, I wonder if there is any Wildfire left to combat Dany.

Apart for the Lannister Army… which other Army/Kingdom could support Cercei?… Seems there are not many there…

Well remember that Cersei is the head of House Baratheon (her dead husband and children's house), so she can call on the resources of the Baratheons, King's Landing and House Lannister (also she may hang on to the Riverlands, Arya going to have to kill a lot of Freys to destroy that house as Walder seems to have had no shortage of children)…….as for additional aid, there is only really the Ironborn who are not already against her and the new king needs to find an ally against Theon and his sister who stole his idea of joining the Targaryens cause so its likely that he will join up with Cersei.

Check out youtube for the GOT mods for total war if you cannot get a handle on the layout of Westeros and the position of the rival houses.

I suppose Cersi's abilty to rule rests on:

• Royal bloodline -- by marriage to the late Robert Baratheon, victim of the ever-popular "hunting accident".
  
• Support of the Faith -- whose Earthly representatives she just nuked off the map.
  
• Goodwill of the masses -- chief practitioner of which she just nuked off the map.
  
• Regal bearing -- half of the people in King's Landing saw her "walk of shame".
  
• Support of her soldiers -- questionable, especially if her own brother is harbouring misgivings about her deeds.
  
• Ultima Ratio Regum -- how much Wildfire has she got left?

Not looking too good for Westeros' newest supervillain.

Ron

P.S. I'm gonna miss Margaery.

Overall a good episode, a decent sendoff to an otherwise lackluster season.

Mostly agree with the above observations and have the same questions. My other other item of note is that Sansa REALLY did not look pleased that everyone was falling all over themselves to name Jon King in the North and ignored her. I suspect Littlefinger may get his wish after all….

This I can answer though:

How do the rules of succession work in Westeros? How can Cersei legitimize her reign?

So someone even more nerdy than me worked his way through the known geneology and it appears that Cersi is in fact Tommen's heir. Cersi marrying Robert wasn't the first time the Lannisters and Baratheons had married into each other. With Robert, Stannis and Renly all dead their nearest living kin are in fact the Lannisters! In the show with Keven and Lancel dead it's just Cersi, Jaime and Tyrion left (in the books they have other various cousins and such). Jaime can't inherit (Kingsguard) and Tyrion is exiled person non-grata, so Cersi has a claim, though a very weak one.

-Will

I do suspect that if Cersi tries to call on the Stormlands for aid against Dany though they are going to tell her to shove it. Tommen was Robert's heir (well not really but you know) but Cersi is a Lannister and went out of her way to remain that way after she married Robert. I don't think any Stormland lord is going to put anything on the line for her. That is assuming they have much of an army left at all after following Stannis at the Blackwater and then to the North….

-Will

Why Tomen comited suicide?… because of his love with Margaery?… because her mother massive murder?… because he take note he was a puppet?…

The answer is D) All of the Above!

-Will

You can pretty much scratch Lady Stoneheart off your wish list. Arya will take on that role.

Why Tomen commited suicide?

I also suspect he knew he couldn't find his own mother guilty and punished without the support of his wife or the high sparrow.

Little Finger seems just fine with Jon being king in the North so that he can seal the deal with Sansa.

Not at all. Rewatch that look between Sansa and Littlefinger. You could see her give a fake-smile to Jon, but that look to Baelish said "You were right about that bastard supplanting me." Bank on that division getting exploited next season.

Did you notice the fleet had ships with the Tyrell and Martell sigils on the sails? So Varys probably came back with their fleets and made a rendezvous with Dany's fleet off the coast of Westeros somewhere.

"Unfortunally in French" he says….

Nothing wrong with French, in a two day period when we in England have left Europe politically (insane) and sportingly (much more embarrassing in football…..soccer to the lost colonies). Both leaders resigned within minutes of the result

C'est magnifique….peut etres on parles le Francais tres bons comme what I do.

Thank God I still have my Irish passport.

Great source by the way.

Also, I am two series behind on GofThs but I thought The Hound was Dead…like John Snow.

Uh, I didn't write any of this and my post disappeared.

So my whole post disappeared and now my name is on the above post and I did not post that.

I think that Cersei is toast. You can only (even in GoT) hold a country together for so long by fear. She was already hated, the Lannisters were already hated in King's Landing, she's openly killed off the Faith, she's killed Margaery who was popular and her own son committed suicide. Jaime has come back to see that Cersei is just as mad as the King he killed. She does have Franken-Mountain but I don't think that he'll stand up to Drogon for too long. I dod think that it was a very interesting plot device that last week we had Tyrion talk Dany out of the "Mad King" moment, when she tells him her plan to leave Slaver's Bay in ruins and then to watch as there is no one to talk Cersei out of her "Mad King " moment.

I think that Dany, with Tyrion's help, is learning that being the ruler means that you are a servant of your people as much as a ruler. She walked away from Daario and she's finally moving bask to the West. And right now she has the biggest, baddest army (and the only Air Force).

Jaime can't inherit (Kingsguard)

Tommen removed Jaime from the Kingsguard. Since he is no longer a member he is Lord of Casterly Rock and can inherit.

Well remember that Cersei is the head of House Baratheon (her dead husband and children's house), so she can call on the resources of the Baratheons, King's Landing and House Lannister (also she may hang on to the Riverlands, Arya going to have to kill a lot of Freys to destroy that house as Walder seems to have had no shortage of children)…….

The Baratheons are done, many died with Stannis or in his wars. For the others how many will willingly serve Cersei, especially when Dany appears and if Jon's Targaryen blood link is brought up? The Baratheons have blood links with the Targaryens. Beside you have one woman who has some vs. another who has dragons. And Cersei is also a kinslayer who killed her Uncle, her cousin and her daughter in law.

Who rules the Frey lands now that Arya went all Godfather on them?

I love this, let's all remember that the original line is "Michael Corleone sends his regards"!

was sad to see Dorne join with Dany. I was hoping against hope the next we'd see of Dorne it would be in a post script "And in Dorne, nothing happened." I never like the side quest into Dorne and the sooner they get written out of the story, the better.

I argree, Dorne has always seemed like an after thought and a waste of time plot-wise to me.

I may get the book as a curiosity piece, but as far as I am concerned, the show is now canon

and

And the key, and most important question? Will the next book be finished now after or before Season 7 concludes? How many will even care?

Me as well, I started on the books, as a matter of fact I didn't even see a show until this year, I binge watched the previous seasons and then watched this year's shows. I have to say that the Series seems as though it's the books with a good editor. They removed a lot of extraneous, useless plot lines that GRRM fills the books with. WE didn't have Quentyn going to Meereen to have Dany smack him down and then for him to get BBQed by the dragons. The series ended Sansa's period as Alayne quickly and got her back to Winterfell and we don't have to go through Harry the Heir and all that. We don't have Illyrio's sojourn with Tyrion leading to a slow boat ride to a false Aegon. I'm guessing that Book 6 might be out next year, around now, in other words when season 7 is concluding. Now Book 7? Based on how long it takes for GRRM to write the books, maybe 2020 or later, well after the series concludes. People will buy it but let's face it, while there will be a true loyal fan base, most people won't care. They may buy the book as a "collector's item" but when you already know the end of the story some of the magic goes out.

No one is talking about R + L = J? They basically confirmed it! That's huge, and sadly a bit of a let down since everyone called it ages ago. Jon has a claim to the Throne (though at this point, you need your head examined to actually want it).

I think you hit the nail on the head, it's been a theory for so long and GRRM has all but confirmed it that when it happened it was like, "see, I knew it" and that's it. It has massive implications though, Jon could marry Sansa or Jon could marry Dany (it's the Targaryen way after all). Or that Jon is the embodiment of Ice and Fire, a mixing of Targaryen and Stark blood.

Anyone take note that the situation of Cercei and Jaime show some similitaries with Cleopatra and Marc Antony?…

I hadn't thought of this, it's an interesting point.

As for Lady Stoneheart there were actually pictures of her, I guess though that they were part of the disinformation campaign. I'll admit that I fell for it.

Did you notice the fleet had ships with the Tyrell and Martell sigils on the sails? So Varys probably came back with their fleets and made a rendezvous with Dany's fleet off the coast of Westeros somewhere.

At one point Dany asks Tyrion of they're ready to sail and Tyrion says that they are just painting the sails.

BTW, so now Daario knows what Jorah felt when Dany kicked him to the curb.

The show spared us Penny. Thank the Old Gods and the New for that.
George at his most self indulgently leisurely writing. That and the Pale Mare. And Qwentyn. And Victarion. And…..

Natalie Dormer on Margeary's fate;

""Margaery is a fatality of the High Sparrow underestimating Cersei," Dormer told Harper's Bazaar. "She had the reins taken away from her, from being in control of the situation; the High Sparrow took the reins and it proves that he underestimated Cersei in a way that Margaery never would have.""

From here;

link

> he show spared us Penny. Thank the Old Gods and the New for that.

Yes, but did they have to take "Pretty Pig" AKA "Bacon" with her? (I think that was Penny, and I'm not going to go back and read the books to find out – that ship has sailed)

Tommen removed Jaime from the Kingsguard. Since he is no longer a member he is Lord of Casterly Rock and can inherit.

Oh snap, you are right, I had forgotten all about this. So Cersi just jumped Jaime in the line of succession. That's not to go over well with anyone.

has massive implications though, Jon could marry Sansa

I have to admit that the way they've played the scenes between the two (Sansa and Jon) this season I'm wondering if that's the angle they are moving towards. They find out Jon's parentage somehow and Sansa decides that rather than get enmeshed in Littlefinger's latest scheme she'll marry her good-hearted lunk-headed cousin and help keep the Stark family and their interests ticking along. I can see it.

-Will

Sansa is going to kill/have someone kill John! She got a taste for power and does not want loose it.

Guessing how uplifting and how much fanfare Johns "coronation" was. I'm guessing he'll be dead before the end of episode 2 of next season.

Do you think that Sansa has forgotten her "wedding night" with the frick Bolton??… you don't undertand woman mind!… (smile).

Littlefinger is doomed… by her or by Arya…

Jon Snow loves her… but only as his sister…

Not the same if he take an encounter with Khaleesy!…

Who is she going to married with?… Tyron is on the list?…

Even Sansa can return with Tyrion…

Cercei and Jaime… Cleopatra and Marc Antony fate!…

Question to John, my mentor… are there any relative with life in the Kingdom of the Reach who can take command?

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Armand

The Tyrells are in charge of the Reach. In the books, Loras had a brother or two. They were even older than him, so heirs, so Loras could be a member of the Kingsguard with no inheritance issues. He's not in the KG in the show obviously.

On the show, the Tyrell house is wiped out, save for the Queen of Thornes. She is in full command, but with no heirs.
A lot of houses are in that situation now, and custom will take care of that. Some second cousin twice removed will inherit, I imagine.
Or perhaps a lot of minor ears of succession.
I believe the Tyrells are usurpers, having supplanted House Gardener at the time of the Targaryean Conquest.

Thanks John!!… (smile)

Yes, maybe is the time of the cousins! (smile).

Do you think that the whole original history point to women rulers or this is a HBO stuff?

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Armand

When Tommen jumped out the window I totally thought of this Monty Python Skit

youtu.be/3txRySd2g4E

When Arya revealed herself, I stood up, hand over my open mouth for the rest of the episode.

Am I the only one disappointed in Ser Strong's "What is under the helmet reveal"? I heard so many theories…

The book implies his head was sent to Dorne, as appeasement for Oberyn.

Who is she going to married with?…

One individual and only one individual.

His father was the King and he would be the perfect match.

Jon cannot marry Sansa because she is cousin and he cannot marry Dany since they are brother and sister.

Bran will end up taking control of male Dragon.

Sansa will end up marrying Theon Greyjoy in the end, though it is possible she could end up with Tyrion.

Littlefinger will not survive because no one trusts him at all.

Samwell will end up finding out something important during his time in the Great Library that will help fight the Night King. Oh and he will end up marrying Gilly.

Oh and it looking like he will end up dropping a lot of that weight that he is carrying as well.

Oh and Cersei reign will be a short and violent.

Arya will end up being reunited with her Direwolf who has taken control over a very large pack of wolves and she will use them to kill off more Freys and head North to help Sansa & Jon.

Jon cannot marry Sansa because she is cousin and he cannot marry Dany since they are brother and sister.

Targaryeans married brother and sister for generations. Dany is Jon's aunt.

As for Sansa and Jon marrying, cousin intermarriage among royals is common even on Earth. However the "icky" and "eeeew" factor would lose many fans of the show.

Theon is incapable of reproducing. That is the main reason for dynastic marriage. Theon is out of the gene pool.

Mithmee, that's way to optimistic.
Jon will die soon in season 7, sam and gilli will die. Aria will die. Dany, tyrion, ect will die. Jamie will die.

One of two things. Will happen.

Night king wins! End of the world!
Or after the night king is defeated only Cersei is left alive.

As we have been reminded often, Aegon the Conqueror's claim did not rest on legitimacy, but on conquest. With so many houses, and the Iron Throne itself, being decimated or even wiped out, the legitimacy of heirs is not an issue. Nice to have, but having the troops will be more important. Heck, at this point, the Green Apple Fossaways could end up ruling the Reach. Or even Sam Tarly's dim brother. "Keep the sword, I'll take Highgarden."

I want Brienne (a descendant of Ser Duncan the Tall, Hand of the King) to marry Tormund and sit the Iron Throne.

I want Brienne (a descendant of Ser Duncan the Tall, Hand of the King) to marry Tormund and sit the Iron Throne.

Maybe Jaime finally kills Cersei and marries his true love, Brienne.

As we have been reminded often, Aegon the Conqueror's claim did not rest on legitimacy, but on conquest. With so many houses, and the Iron Throne itself, being decimated or even wiped out, the legitimacy of heirs is not an issue. Nice to have, but having the troops will be more important.

Let's always remember, he was "William the Bastard" until he became "The Conqueror".

Targaryeans married brother and sister for generations. Dany is Jon's aunt.

Indeed they did, in the books they are sending (fake) Aegon, Dany's nephew, to Meereen to marry her. But there is yet another fan theory (yeah, I know, "fan theories") that Rhaegar is not Jon's father, that Aerys was. That would of course make Dany and Jon brother and sister. Of course there is also the whole question of whether Dany is still capable of bearing children (it seems she is in the books but nothing has been shown in the series). Either way it doesn't seem that the Targaryens are all that bothered by incest.

Theon is out of the gene pool.

Besides, Theon is filled with self loathing, I look for him to disappear soon.

On the show, the Tyrell house is wiped out, save for the Queen of Thornes. She is in full command, but with no heirs.
A lot of houses are in that situation now, and custom will take care of that. Some second cousin twice removed will inherit, I imagine.

Well Jaime owes Bronn a Lordship, I imagine whoever winds up winning will have a lot of patronage to hand out.