Help support TMP


"Fall of the Seleukid Empire by John Grainger" Topic


4 Posts

All members in good standing are free to post here. Opinions expressed here are solely those of the posters, and have not been cleared with nor are they endorsed by The Miniatures Page.

For more information, see the TMP FAQ.


Back to the Ancients Discussion Message Board


Areas of Interest

Ancients

Featured Hobby News Article


Featured Link


Featured Ruleset


Featured Showcase Article

Eureka Amazon Project: The Phalangitrixes

Beowulf Fezian paints the prototypes for the Eureka Amazon Army.


Featured Workbench Article


Featured Profile Article

June Contest Winner: Hoplite Baggage Vignette

Yesthatphil is the winner of the June 2015 contest with this wonderful entry.


Featured Book Review


818 hits since 27 May 2016
©1994-2024 Bill Armintrout
Comments or corrections?

Nikator27 May 2016 10:52 a.m. PST

This is a brief review of Vol. 3 of John Grainger's three volume work on the entire course of the Seleukid Kingdom. The full title is The Fall of the Seleukid Empire 187-75 BC by John D. Grainger; Pen and Sword, 2015.

The third volume was a tougher read for me than the first two, mainly because of the unremitting series of disasters it chronicles. From the time Antiochus IV (of Biblical infamy) killed his nephew and seized the throne, there began what seems to have been an endless series of pretenders and rebellions, sometimes with as many as three or four candidates for the throne slugging it out at once. The institutions unifying the kingdom were enough to hold it more or less together for roughly 100 years, but the constant corrosive effect of the complete absence of any real legitimacy ultimately doomed the state.

Grainger manages, somehow, to find what is interesting to tell about this slow-motion disaster. By painstakingly assembling the scant evidence, he manages to present a coherent chronicle of events, complete with fascinating glimpses into the character and motivation of the various participants.

This book does provide a really thorough answer to that age old wargamer's question; if the Seleukid army was really as tough as most rules make it seem on the table, why did the Kingdom fall apart? The answer, according to Grainger, is that so long as the Kingdom was able to control its main sources of money and recruits, the army remained effective. Eventually, the constant friction caused by the unremitting civil wars eroded the manpower pool and tax base beyond what was sustainable.

If you, like me, are fascinated by the Hellenistic period in general and the Seleukids in particular, I urge you to get ahold of this series (The Rise of the Seleukid Empire and The Seleukid Empire of Antiochos III are the other 2 volumes) as soon as you can. These books are far superior to what we wargamers usually get from our specialty presses like Pen and Sword. This is not another book written by an intelligent, well read amateur. Grainger is the real thing; a scholarly, erudite writer who dumbs nothing down, gives you all the evidence and detail, yet writes with a wonderful clarity that even ignoramuses like your humble servant can understand. Again, I cannot recommend this series highly enough. It is magnificent.

Personal logo aegiscg47 Supporting Member of TMP27 May 2016 11:13 a.m. PST

Thanks for summarizing this. The last few books I've read on the Successors have been from a strategic standpoint with one or two sentences about the battles that were fought, making them hard to read. The other issue is you really need a flowchart to chronicle who is betraying who!

timurilank27 May 2016 11:18 a.m. PST

Thanks for the tip. This has been placed on my list.

Cheers,

waaslandwarrior28 May 2016 2:01 p.m. PST

Already bought the books.
Now in the "to read" stack. (which unfortunately is way to large)

Sorry - only verified members can post on the forums.