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wargamer621 May 2016 3:24 a.m. PST

What do we know about the Confederate defence fleet at Memphis and Plum run . What did these gunboats look like . There are only photos of two of them and there are paintings and pen drawings of the others, some of which contradict the written evidence and the drawings themselves . Here is my assessment of these vessels , please feel free to put in your ideas.

All vessels were converted in New Orleans so we would expect to see some form of uniformity of construction.


The base vessels were mostly powerful towboats rather than the conventional Mississippi steamers of the Natchetz variety . The features of a tow boat would include exposed heavy wooden hogging timbers rather than chains and stays and a lot of these towboats had only one funnel and some had walking beam engines. The vessels would also likely have had one deck less than the Natchetz type as they wouldn't normally carry passengers.

So now for my interpretations of these vessels appearances

General Bragg , a coastal steamer with a walking beam engine and deck cabins whose appearance was known from photographs and dimensions recorded. It is interesting to note that the accuracy of contemporary drawings can be judged by the lack of a walking beam or a brig rigging when depicting general Bragg.

General Sterling Price . A northern built Mississippi tow boat with exposed hogging timbers and twin funnels and a large high positioned pilot house sited between the paddle boxes , this positioning was typical on a twin funnelled towboat in order to see the tow over the bow. Several photos exist of this vessel and the layout of its protective bulwarks can be taken as a pattern for the other conversions.

Now we get into the region of speculation.

Little rebel . As a screw tug she was an odd one out . Most representations use a convenient picture of a Union screw tug which has sides like a casemated ironclad and a pretty round and domed pilot house . This was not in keeping with the construction evidence so I have settled on a painting of her from Memphis in which you can see on more detailed photos a small tug in the background with squared wooden bulwarks protecting the machinery and a square pilothouse forward of a single funnel. Her dimensions are not known but she was undoubtedly smaller than the other ships. Her protection would have been minimal due to her limited displacement so I judge this picture as being pretty accurate.

General M Jeff Thompson . Two contemporary drawings in the Naval Historical Foundation NH 59054 and NH59053 show a single funnelled towboat with exposed hogging timbers and a pilot house sited well forward on the upper deck. Due to the fact that these two drawings are closely consistent with each other and also consistent with other drawings and paintings of this type of vessel I am prepared to accept this representation as accurate in the absence of any other contradictory evidence

General Beauregard . Most pictures of this vessel are show her being dramatically rammed by the Union ram Monarch at Memphis . Due to the consistency of all of these pictures and aspects of her construction matching what I would have expected than I am prepared to accept that this is a good interpretation of this vessel . The fact that she was known to displace 461 tons and was 161 feet long also feeds into the accuracy of these pictures .

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Colonel Lovell. In her former life Lovell was known as "Hercules" which would be a typical name given to a towboat of some power . Unusually it appears that despite the picture evidence to the contrary the Lovell had two funnels as in a contemporary account in Gun boats down the Mississippi "she is rammed by Queen of the West just forward of her wheel house ( paddle wheel house not pilot house ) and the smokestacks (plural) sagged forward over her bow". She was 162 feet long and as a Cincinnati built twin stacked towboat she would have had her pilothouse sited high on the upperdeck in a similar position to that on the General Price.

General Sumpter , Sumpters dimensions were known and according to Silverstone she was fitted with a low pressure beam engine. An account in Battles and Leaders states that at Plum Run she was fired at by the Union ironclad Carondelet whose shot was aimed at the centre of the vessel and struck just forward of the pilot house hitting the boilers causing steam to escape. This tells us that the Pilot house was not sited forward in front of the boilers like on most single funnelled towboats but was positioned high amidships , that being the case, to be consistent with towboat designs she must have had twin funnels .


General van Dorn, I have found no drawings or dimensions or descriptive evidence to support any theory of this vessels appearance so I would go for a single funnel vessel similar to Beauregard as a pattern when depicting her mainly due to the fact a lot of single funnel vessels are shown in the pictures in which she appears but not identified.


Based on this evidence I have made some 1:1200 scale models of these warships and will shortly selling a limited number of sets to interested parties.

To see some of my work you can visit the Riachuelo Warships thread on the Ironclads board on TMP.

Reactionary21 May 2016 3:39 a.m. PST

Fascinating, thanks for the research.

David Manley21 May 2016 4:27 a.m. PST

Please put me on the list of "Interested parties" :)

138SquadronRAF21 May 2016 8:35 a.m. PST

And another 'interested party'

Personal logo Yellow Admiral Supporting Member of TMP21 May 2016 10:03 a.m. PST

So what happened to a vessel if its anti-hogging frames were shot apart?

I haven't seen this covered in any rules.

- Ix

wargamer621 May 2016 10:37 a.m. PST

I would think if that was to happen then the ship would be in a sinking condition anyway as the timbers were about a foot square. If it happened to a riverboat which was stiffened by hogging chains then the boat would sag and possibly break up but the chains are pretty thin targets and damage would be accumulative on the target as a whole anyway. All shallow draft riverboats were fitted with anti hogging devices to prevent their relatively thin hull sections from bending under the weight of the boilers. They just spread out the stresses a bit like flying buttresses do on a cathedral . Here's a good diagram of the system employed in riverboats. The principles are the same for towboats but the use of timbers made the hull much stronger.

PDF link

CorsairFAS21721 May 2016 11:30 a.m. PST

Wargamer6 that was an amazing breakdown of the Riverboat. Great find!

David Manley21 May 2016 2:24 p.m. PST

I don't think hogging (or sagging) chain/frame failure would have led to an immediate failure of the hull in most cases. Instead the hull would deform over time.

Onomarchos21 May 2016 8:19 p.m. PST

Agree with David

49mountain23 May 2016 1:28 p.m. PST

Excellent information wargamer6 and thank you. Do you know if the chains and braces ere ever concealed inside walls or bulkheads? I do not recall seeing a lot of the braces or chains on photos of 1860's river boats.

Personal logo StoneMtnMinis Supporting Member of TMP24 May 2016 6:44 a.m. PST

Put me down as an interested party as well. Interior bracing would be very unusual as it would reduce cargo/machinery space
which would make it unprofitable for the owners to do so.

Dave
wargamingminiatures.com

wargamer624 May 2016 9:55 a.m. PST

49, the bracing was usually concealed behind bulkheads so is difficult to pick up. What you are looking for is any upright angled post with a cable, chain or rod attached to the top. This isn't easy to spot on photos and is usually omitted on most drawings as an unnecessary detail. If you look at the pictures in my PDF link above then you can only see two posts on the completed drawing as they are obscured by the boats railings.

Kazziga30 Jun 2016 1:34 a.m. PST

RDF after some corrections:

capncarp04 Jul 2016 8:41 p.m. PST

Searching my very cloudy memory, but weren't some of the rams "cotton-clad"?
If so, how to best represent that in a model?

Kazziga04 Jul 2016 10:50 p.m. PST

"Cotton-clad" doesn't actually mean stacked with cotton bales (although e.g. "Bayou City" was "armored" in that way). RDF ships had wooden bulwarks around machinery with compressed cotton between them.
There may have been some armor applied to them, but since there was a shortage of that material, it is unlikely.

A C London05 Jul 2016 5:00 a.m. PST

Well done for collecting this evidence and producing these models. Nobody who buys them will be disappointed: they open the way to some fascinating battles and "what ifs."

I am not sure about the General Sterling Price, tho. Assuming the models in the photo are correctly captioned, you show her with a single, rather prominent, funnel. In your notes you say that she was converted from a twin funnelled towboat. Did you come across anything suggesting that these were trunked into a single funnel for military service?

She was raised, repaired and served the Union as the General Price (missing out the "Sterling"). The US Naval Historical Center has several photos and a contemporary engraving showing her after these repairs:

link

All show a pair of rather slim funnels, abreast. Again, did you come across anything in US records pointing to a switch from one to two funnels? Unless there is good evidence to the contrary, I think it likely that she retained two funnels throughout.

I realise, tho, that much to do with these ships is a matter of speculation and interpretation. And that if you speculate and interpret for too long they don't get made. Well done for getting them done.

Alan

wargamer605 Jul 2016 10:15 a.m. PST

Alan , the General Price was called the Laurent Millaudon before conversion into a ram , The Millaudon had only a single funnel and a forward pilothouse, she was also shown with a single funnel in the Alexander Simplot drawings of the battle. I initially made her the same as she looked in the photos of her in 1864 as you can see from my original set of models published on TMP , however Kaz Kazziga pointed out to me that she was altered in appearance after the union raised her as she was probably re-boilered so I changed my design to suite the new evidence. The Lovell is still controversial though as she had a single funnel in Simplots drawings but I gave her two after I came across a referance of her having twin funnels in "Gunboats down the Mississippi" at Plum Run .

Hussar12307 Jul 2016 7:10 a.m. PST

Sad to say I in 1/600. Beautiful models!!!!

DukeWacoan Supporting Member of TMP Fezian19 Aug 2016 11:18 a.m. PST

Do you have a website?

I'd also love to see 1/600 (old eyes and all). But I'd be interest in 1/1200.

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