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BelgianRay13 May 2016 1:24 p.m. PST

SWBB06t Military Order War Banner Bearer (1) Templars
this picture represents a probably correct banner but the knight is NOT a Templar but a Hospitaller with a Templar banner :


GonerGonerGoner13 May 2016 2:15 p.m. PST

"Product Description

Military War Banner Bearer and LBMS Templar Standard."

So it's a Military Order Banner Bearer (correctly painted) in the example. Note the flag isn't attached to the figure. You can paint the figure how you like and if you want to do Templars you've got the right banner. It's not "wrong painting", it's just an option.

Clays Russians13 May 2016 6:58 p.m. PST

I'm a mason, I would not know the difference really, except the black habit. Ohhhh never mind, I just took a look see

BelgianRay14 May 2016 1:40 p.m. PST

Sorry, but it states : Military Order TEMPLARS.
It is not a Templar but a Hospitaller with a Templar flag.
And NO you can not paint the figure as you like if you state what it is supposed to represent.
Not all Indians are Apaches and not all Napoleonics are French, or you could put a French flag on a British infantry man …. I'm sure you would get some reactions on that….

wyeayeman15 May 2016 8:49 a.m. PST

The banner is quite quite wrong.
The Templars would have had Latin crosses and never the style indicated. The Great Seal of the Order would not have appeared on the banner either. With the Templars you have to keep it simple. Beausaint (or whichever spelling is in vogue) – the black and white banner of the Order or a white field with red Latin crosses…and that's it.
With the later Hospitalars and the later German Orders – they have fancy banners – some extremely so.
But please don't make up some any old flag. If you dont know find out,
And what BelgianRay says – it applies to flags too.

BelgianRay15 May 2016 2:01 p.m. PST

Thank you xyeayeman for your info on the flag itself, I did not even notice that, as I was to flaggerbasted about the Hospitaller carrying it.
Apparently it is written : Beausant. This banner was black over white and "The beauseant was
not allowed to flow as a flag. Rather, it was borne between two pikes and carried unfurled so
that the enemy as well as the Templars could see it advancing. The beauseant was the rallying
point for all the Templar warriors during battle, and it did not leave the field as long as the
Templars were involved in fighting, and the Templars did not cease combat until the
beauseant left the field."
This according to :
The Lesson of the Beauseant
by Dr. Gary D. Lemmons, PC, KTCH
Delivered on Saturday, February 4, 2006
at the Annual Inspection of Pilgrim
Commandery No. 15, Gainesville, Georgia

wyeayeman16 May 2016 3:02 a.m. PST

BelgianRay-Never knew that!

Clays Russians16 May 2016 5:51 p.m. PST

BRAY- in illustration in the "morals and dogma" I see the Templar banner described as white over black with simple Latin cross. Am I wrong? If so let me go back to the GL look it up in reference!

BelgianRay18 May 2016 12:38 p.m. PST

Clays Russians : it is black over white. The issue of the cross is an other matter. If there was (which is not confirmed yet) a cross it would indeed have been a Latin cross, except for the Portuguese faction whou (and that is fact apparently) was a The Copta cross, adopted by this sect (at the time) in the II sec.
Two points deserve discussion:
– The description refers to a flag divided black and white, but does not give the arrangement of the parts.
– The etymology differs from the most often cited reference to 'beau sťant', 'looking nice'

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