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The Silver Tower. It looks like it is going to be released on May 21.

Nothing on the GW website about it yet.

Hopefully another boxed game filled with miniature goodness for a relatively low price.

GW and low price, that's like saying cats wont eat mice

Yeah low price for games workshop rather than low price…

Wow that release date is very close. I will be looking at it. I still have my first original copy of the game .

Matthew

You can say GW is expensive all you like, but their boxed sets have ALWAYS been a good value regardless of how much they overcharge for other things.

A lot of their stuff has been priced very decently lately. Not only are the boxed sets just stuffed with figures (AoS contained 41 grunts, 5 characters, one mounted on a dragon, and a monster for only $125 USD) but their Start Collecting sets are a fantastic value, cheap compared to anyone.

The Lizardman one contains a 28mm Dinosaur with a rider, plus 12 infantry and 8 cavalry for only $85. USD

Yeah but the new sets, while good under current GW pricing, aren't a patch on the old battle forces from a few years back.

GW stuff is mostly plastic so compare a box of GW plastic with a Perry's or warlord box set and the cost isn't that impressive.

Oh wow! If this is a boxed game I WILL get a copy.

well…that was uninformative.

Not THAT uninformative: the player characters include – a Sigmarite priest, a Dwarf slayer, a Sigmarine, and some kind of barbarian. They appear to be fighting Tzeentchian daemons and beastmen, which makes sense given the title 'Silver Tower'.

Ugh, Warhammer Quest set in the AOS un-setting… What have they done!

Well, that told me nothing.
As much as I'd love to have Warhammer Quest back, this presentation leaves me cold. The art is ugly, the look is waaaay too 40K.
But GW probably knows its market better than I do, and increasingly it's obvious that I am no longer part of that market.

I think the art looks great. The Gaunt Summoner in the background looks creepy, as he should.

Of course it bears some resemblance to 40K, Warhammer 40K is based on Warhammer to a very large degree. I mean some of the models can be used, without change, in both games. One might even say it is Warhammer in space.

Actually one would be exactly correct in saying that. It is even in the name, now that I look at it.

But this doesn't look any more like 40K than anything else in fantasy ever has.

This looks like Age of Sigmar.

Now they are going to ruin to of their games.

Mithmee, please explain how a game that's been out of print for almost 20 years can be ruined?

Parzival, are you suggesting this illustration:

is better than this illustration?

Parzival didn't say that. In fact, he said the art was too much of this:

However, I will say that the first box art is objectively better. That said, the box art is not the problem I have with the game.

The first box is better art. Disclaimer, never having played, I have no nostalgia attached to this discussion.

Xin

Parzival, are you suggesting this illustration:

is better than this illustration?

Well I will say that the first illustration is far better than the 2nd.

It is from a great game and the other one is about Age of Sigmar.

Mithmee, please explain how a game that's been out of print for almost 20 years can be ruined?

Well first off when it comes to GW these days it does not take much on their part to ruin anything.

But when they take a great game that they stop supporting and turn it into just another Age of Sigmar piece of junk.

They have ruined the old game.

I don't understand that. How do you ruin an old game by putting out a new one? Can you explain that as it doesn't make any sense to me.

What they have done is change the whole setting.

So any new Blood Bowl game will be played with:

Age of Sigmar miniatures and not Warhammer Fantasy miniatures.

They have killed off WFB and anything that went with it.

Now it nothing but Age of Sigmar, which sucks.

I am just waiting to see just how they spin their yearly report.

When was Blood Bowl ever played with Warhammer Fantasy miniatures?

I've always seen in played with Blood Bowl miniatures.

It looks like it is still going to be played with Blood Bowl miniatures:

They certainly haven't killed off WFB or most things that went with it. If you have an orc army you can still play it in Age of Sigmar.

You can even still play it in Warhammer Fantasy Battle!

Why here is a post from May 10, 2016 about a Brettonian army for WHFB:

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Here is another one from May 2, 2016:

TMP link

Here is one from April 15, 2016:

TMP link

If they killed it, they must have done it this past week.

On top of that, on this very website the Warhmmer board has 336 threads since last July, but only 168 between July 2014 and July 2015.

Some of that may be people using it more for some reason, like they just discovered it, but it can't even mostly be that. That means that in just 10 months since the release of AoS Warhammer has been generating twice as many conversations on this website than it did in the previous 12 months.

That doesn't sound very dead to me. That sounds like a new lease on life.

And were 358 threads in the first year of this board (Oct 4 2011 to Oct 4 2012)… What's your point?

I will agree that GW cannot stop me from playing the 90's editions that I love. But they can make it hard for new gamers to appreciate the Old World by nuking it and then sitting on the rights to a setting that they couldn't care less about (see what is happening to FFG's licenses right now), which will make it more difficult for me to get new people to play the games that I love.

The point is that in July of 2015 Age of Sigmar was released.

The fact that interest on this board dropped off from 2012, when the board was created, half the rate of posting just before AoS came out and then in the 12 months since then seems to have surged again could indicate that GW is doing some thing right.

If you put on a game at your local store or at a convention people will come to play it. You may have to champion it more than you used to, which will make it more difficult to do, but that doesn't make it dead.

It is certainly not dead.

Also this idea that they nuke the Old World, what difference does that make? Can you not play "historical" games of WHFB? Why would anyone care what the current fictional world is actually doing.

The Horus Heresy ended and people are still playing games of that. Heck it ended well before anyone played a single game of it, as far as I know.

It's not a question of timeline… Warhammer never had an evolving timeline. It's a question of support. New players will never know the Old World, because GW is doing its level best to bury it. Warhammer Quest hasn't been in print for almost two decades, but up until a year ago I could still swing by the WFB 8th game night at my FLGS and drum up a group of players to give it a go. Now I can't, not only because Warhammer has completely died out locally in every form, but also because new gamers that come into the hobby in the future will not have any frame of reference for being interested in questing in the Old World (or roleplaying WFRP, for that matter).

Sigmar's Law: "As an online gaming discussion grows longer, the probability of people posting something that doesn't matter just to tell nobody in particular why they dislike Age of Sigmar approaches 1."

Everyone knows the epitome of gaming is best expressed with Silverderp Oakderp

Yup, it's true guys, the Old World is dead and nobody can play any games of any sort set in that IP!

Excepting if you play the soon to be re-released Blood Bowl board game, or the recent video game version. Or the Mordheim video game. Or the Warhammer Vermintide video game. Or the upcoming Warhammer: Total War. Or Warhammer Fantasy Roleplaying 3rd Edition. All of which are set in the Old World.

Sure, Warhammer Quest is set in the Age of Sigmar IP. Does it really matter? Four adventurers journey into a magical tower to swipe treasure and maybe kill a wizard. Sounds great, sign me up! One of the heroes is wearing golden armor with a face mask. Well bless me bagpipes, THAT means it's in Age of Sigmar! Somehow that is enough to bring out the old sourpusses who haven't likely played a game of Warhammer of any edition in years.

Whenever a new, positive, Age of Sigmar post comes along, I eagerly anticipate the oft incoherent ramblings of whichever fossil sets down his enamels and Napoleonic flats and manages to remember how to use one of these newfangled keyboards to attempt to parse a coherent phrase. Perhaps even that requires too much effort, explaining why so many of these complaints and grumbles appear to be quoted directly from some grognard complaint playbook. I eagerly anticipate these ramblings because sometimes it's fun to laugh at ignorance. And I don't mean ignorance in an actually insulting way. I mean, like these folks are completely ignorant of the facts.

I can somewhat understand why folks might have a problem with Age of Sigmar. I might not have looked further than the box art and read a few reviews and gone about my business. Fortunately for me, I managed a hobby store last year, and had to learn all about Age of Sigmar. We went all in and brought in 80 copies, we had demo days, make and take events, painted up a demo table with terrain and the forces from the boxed set. And you know what? It turns out not only are the miniatures outstanding sculpts, the rules are fun, and the background is really freaking cool. And we sold a ton of it!

Age of Sigmar gets a lot of grief from folks who don't even know what it is. You have cranky old guys who long for the days of single piece metal miniatures for $1. USD Those days are gone. You have Warhammer 8th edition players who feel like their favorite system has been destroyed. It's true! Or is it? Keep playing with your pals. No need to take a dump all over the new game. Or move on to Kings of War, a system far superior to Warhammer 8th edition for tournament play.

Seems a number of folks are just unwilling to find out what makes Age of Sigmar so great. Ease of play, interesting army composition combos, superior mold designs and detail for the new models, outstanding, exciting high fantasy background that is continually being developed by Games Workshop, all these things combine to form a genuinely exciting game. It's sad that folks can't be bothered take an actual look at the game and how it's evolved over just the past year.

Sigmar's Law indeed.

I eagerly await the Mithmee bot to generate a random semi coherent grumpy response. Please do not disappoint, Mithmee bot!

Scott, I'd tone it down. Your post stinks of personal attacks. No one was doing that here… We were having a good conversation (and a debate, at times), about the merits of older and newer games. Your post seems strangely personal (I'm not sure what anyone did to make you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning)…

Mithmee, the perpetual bearer of GW good news and cheer, lol.

@Nazrat,

Absolutely, that's what I've said all along. Gw has had PLENTY of really great, value-priced boxed sets over the years. And the cost for starting up armies, even full Warhammer armies, has been exaggerated over the years.

I don't mean to go off-topic here, but I'm noticing that a thread that was started for the new Warhammer Quest game has turned into yet another GW is evil thread.

Every edition of Warhammer, including AOS and now Silver Tower, ALWAYS has had awesome starter boxes for really good prices.

As far as what people say that GW forces you to buy other miniatures and the boxed set is just the bait – says WHO?

What is this "official capacity" thing gamers are so hyper-focused on??? You have the free Warscroll for the new AOS Fire Dwarves, so that means you HAVE TO buy AOS's expensive and official new dwarf minis? Says WHO?

GW released what was probably their best value boxed set in their history – the AOS starter set. Number of minis, detail of their plastics, amazing value.

So who's forcing anyone to buy anything else from them? Seriously? GW isn't forcing you to buy any "required thing" to play their games! What's stopping you from buying an old 7th or 8th OOP boxed set to get your Warhammer armies started, and then finishing off the armies with stuff from Ebay, or with miniatures from another mini company, even historicals if you're doing Empire or Bretonnia?

And, the rules and Warscrolls for AOS were free for crying out loud! If you did nothing but buy two of the boxed starter sets off of Ebay, which you can still get for $75 USD or $80 USD, that's an investment of about $160 USD and you've got almost 100 miniatures for a huge skirmish game. $160 USD to start playing a 28mm fantasy skirmish game? That's the outrageous amount being dickered over here?

You've already got terrain from your other fantasy games and historical games. GW isn't forcing you to buy their new AOS terrain. Yes, GW's prices for their latest ranges has been very high, but again, WHO'S forcing you to buy the most expensive stuff?? The Start Collecting boxed sets are an awesome way to get into AOS for not alot of money.

When I see people criticize GW for supposed evil pricing, what I really see are people with anti-GW colored sunglasses on. Their creativity in getting the best value out of something flies out the window, in favor of blanket statements and broad bashing of a supposed greedy company.

On another thread, I actually saw a TMP member condemn GW for being what he called a "sales-driven" company!

LOL. A "sales-driven" company. Ummmmmm….call me cooky – but what else is a company supposed to be? I thought that – you have a company – to…..drum roll….sell stuff. Would anybody call Coca Cola "sales-driven" as being a negative thing? No! If they're not selling you gallons of soda, they're not doing their job right? Soda is pushed for every holiday and sporting event you can think of. Relentlessly.

Calling GW "sales-driven" and using the term as some kind of evil branding mark, is like calling an NFL football team "Super Bowl driven". Isn't that what every team is SUPPOSED to be doing? Ain't that the goal? To make money and win the big game?

Sheesh.

@Baranovich, I can't tell if that post was hit by the TMP bug or not… Who was complaining about GW prices or GW as a "sales-driven" company?

Nah, nothing personal AM. Just targeted at certain gamer stereotypes who happen to comment on various fora with cookie cutter cranky responses.

I imagine Baranovich is frustrated with the regular anti-GW and anti-AoS posts in general, not just in this thread. He's probably referring to various comments by others over the past year.

"But when they take a great game that they stop supporting and turn it into just another Age of Sigmar piece of junk."

They stopped supporting WHQ what? 20 years ago? I'd hardly call that taking a great game and turning it into just another AoS piece of junk – the game was already long dead.

I for one am greatly looking forward to this, and I say that as an owner of the original WHQ, both adventure expansions, all the Hero expansions and all the additional cards and board sections put out for the game.

GW released what was probably their best value boxed set in their history

Really?

You know that the old game Battlemasters was their best boxed set ever.

You have cranky old guys who long for the days of single piece metal miniatures for $1. USD USD Those days are gone

Why would we be crankly? We got to buy those miniatures and build sizeable armies.

But you are right those days are long gone and the day of $20 USD-$30 miniatures are here.

So while I was able to get a complete unit back then today you get one miniature today.

Yes there have been more post here since GW killed off WFB and brought out AoS. The thing is quite a few of those posts have been for this or that AoS Battle Report that has one or two posts at most.

Baranovich is correct you do not have to buy any these overpriced miniatures or get into AoS.

But I will bet that a brand new player will not have as many armies or miniatures that us crankly old guys have.

The reason is that they cannot afford to buy the 1000-1500 plus miniatures. Because at $5 USD-$30 per miniature means an investment of well over $10,000. USD

The writing of their rules have gone downhill over the past two decades since they forced out the individuals who could actually write the rules.

They have killed off WFB and the future of 40k is uncertain since you can never know what they are going to do.

Oh and I hope I didn't disappoint.

Well as far as artwork is concerned. The new art beats the old box art hands down. The old box art was bad then and it's bad now. I enjoyed the old WFB world from 3rd to 8th edition that being said, I'm not sad it's gone as it had become quite stale for me. This last year playing AOS has been some of the best times I have had wargaming.

"You know that the old game Battlemasters was their best boxed set ever."

I have Battlemasters and the only way that was the best value game is if you don't care at all what the figures look like. They weren't bad for one piece plastics in single post but if you put the Battlemasters Chaos Warriors next to the AoS Blood Warriors no one on earth would say that the Chaos Warriors could even compare.

They weren't terrible but they were pretty lacking in detail, especially on the sides.

Pretty much like all of the figures in that set. Not bad but not a patch on the current plastics.

Plus you didn't get that many figures:

10 Orcs
10 Chaos Warriors
10 Beastmen
10 Goblins
6 Chaos knights
1 Ogre
10 Chaos Archers

9 Imperial knights
3 Imperial lords
15 men-at-arms
15 imperial missile troops
1 cannon

So a total of 80 infantry, 18 cavalry, 1 Ogre and 1 cannon. Just over 100 figures.

Compare that to the Battle for Skull Pass set that had 90 infantry, 12 cavalry, a troll, a cannon and a bunch of characters, all of superior quality to the figures in the Battlemasters set.

So more figures and better ones.

Even the Island of Blood contained 60 infantry, 5 cavalry, two gun teams, 3 characters on foot and a freaking awesome Elven hero on flying Griffon.

Just in terms of figure quantity Skull Pass is a better deal. And for the quality and number I'd say Island of Blood is better than Battlemasters.

Maybe things were not as good as you remember.

Just over 100 figures.

You forgot the Wolf Riders and Tower.

Yes for $40 USD plus tax or around $0.30 USD-$0.40 per figure.

Today the cheapest figures that GW is putting out is around $3 USD-$4 per figure.

Oh and if you were lucky like me you could have walked into a Toy Store and find that the store was selling them for $9.99 USD per box.

They only had three boxes but that was over 300 miniatures for around $35. USD

Oh and I would much rather have those one piece miniatures over the multi-part junk that they are putting out today.

All you need to do is glue them onto a base.

Today it can take 20-30 minutes or more longer just to put one figure together.

So a box of 10 would take around 2-3 hours just to put together.

Maybe things were not as good as you remember.

Actually far better since I sold off the Ogres & Chaos figures along with the Banner and other stuff.

So I made back what I paid for them and then some.

The FLGS is not really selling AoS stuff oh they have it, but it just does not sell.

Oh and no one is playing it either.

Of course that $40 USD in 1992 is worth about $70 USD now. So there is that.

And you can't directly compare a one piece casting with vague detail to today's models. If you like them better for some reason then you aren't GW's market, they produce the best miniatures in the world today.

I don't know that you can count the discount price you could get it for, MB had much bigger distribution channels than GW did alone. The Battlemasters set was certainly a "first ones free" gateway game. It got me into GW stuff in a big way. Not that I didn't have their figures before that but I certainly got a lot of them. I use very, very few of them still. They just don't hold up to models today.

"Today the cheapest figures that GW is putting out is around $3 USD USD-$4 per figure."

This is just not true at all. You get about 50 minis, all excellently sculpted, in the AoS starter set for about $2.50 USD a figure.

The crypt ghouls are $2 USD a figure.

And on and on. As usual you are uninformed and believe the propaganda that people are putting out without looking at the facts.

I don't know how it is doing at your FLGS, it is doing okay at one of my FLGS but not well at the other, although this has changed with the introduction of points for the game.

they produce the best miniatures in the world today

No they don't.

Outside of their AoS boxset which was set low just to individuals hooked. What is the average price of most of their miniatures.

We will not even go on about the cost of individual miniatures that will cost over $30. USD

What would be the cost for 400 Goblins these days?

It would be around $800. USD

Oh and can you get Goblin Wolf Riders?

Not from GW you not.

As for the FLGS GW games have not done well for nearly 15+ years now.

Oh and those one piece figures will not shatter into a dozen or so pieces if they get dropped or knocked off the table.

Plus I can get a complete unit based in the time it takes to put one of the new miniatures together.

"Oh and those one piece figures will not shatter into a dozen or so pieces if they get dropped or knocked off the table."

Neither will the new plastics. Heck you can throw most of them to someone across the room with no damage.

And yes, for a short period of time you can't get wolf riders from GW. They will be back shortly I'm sure.

Retail price for 400 Goblins is $700. USD $1.75 USD a figure. Not bad at all for the best looking goblins anyone makes today.

"Plus I can get a complete unit based in the time it takes to put one of the new miniatures together."

Yeah, but if you're doing it with one-piece castings it won't look good.

I could spray my models one colour and put them on the table too and it wouldn't take any time to paint them. But they wouldn't look as good.

Yeah, but if you're doing it with one-piece castings it won't look good.

They will rank up unlike those multi-part miniatures.

Oh and on those Goblins the thing is you are going to need a few Command and Hero Figures, Warmachines plus Fanatics.

That will cost you around another $350 USD-$500.

@Mithmee,

Are you seriously with a straight face comparing GW's plastic mini prices and plastics technology from 1992 with TODAY? And making straight-up per figure cost comparisons? How is that even remotely valid or legitimate? It isn't.

The level of detail in GW's plastics today are infinitely better than what was turned out in Battle Masters, you have got to be kidding me. How on earth could they not be more expensive? You expect 2016 to be the same as 1992, and then claim GW is ripping you off because their prices are higher now than over 20 years ago? Name me one product you can think of that isn't higher in price than it was two decades ago.

Those one-piece plastics were designed for a younger audience who wanted to be able to play a table-top-like wargame but be able to do it at close to board game prices.

But your comparison to the per-figure cost of Battle Masters toy soldiers from over two decades ago to 2016's Silver Tower figures is beyond ludicrous.

@Achtung Minen,

The reason why I chose to insert a reminder about the reality vs. the myth of GW's prices in general, into a specific thread about Silver Tower, is because I knew that there would be Mithmee and others making, with all due respect, the usual unrealistic and slanted comparisons with miniatures past and the supposed "good old days" of GW when I guess they gave everything away for free supposedly.

I would not have brought it up at all if Mithmee and others had not turned into their own personal platform for yet another anti-GW agenda rant.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion about anything. What I can't tolerate is when those opinions are based on personal feelings and a bandwagon that someone else then jumps on the back of.

GW's pricing of Silver Tower is an amazing deal, and quite frankly, if you REALLY look at the per-figure cost of GW's starter sets, other comparable companies sell figures that are NEARLY IDENTICAL or very close to what GW charges.

This is a case of reality being blurred because of the brand name on the box. GW could sell Silver Tower for $75.00 USD and there would be gamers saying it should be $50.00 USD. I mean this could go on forever.

If anyone doesn't like Silver Tower or Age of Sigmar, well then don't buy it. GW isn't putting a gun to anyone's head forcing them to buy anything. And last time I checked, you can play AOS for an investment of ZERO DOLLARS if you really want to. Free rules and use your existing miniatures and terrain. And people still complain.

For once, I agree with Mithmee – in principle.

Games Workshop doesn't make the best models in the world – that's Mierce Miniatures. Games Workshop makes the second best models in the world today. But Mithmee actually may have a stroke if he sees how much Mierce miniatures cost. If $3 USD infantry models make Mithmee freak out, the $10 USD-$15 that each Mierce infantry model costs will cause him to rupture his brain.

$1.75 USD for a goblin is a great deal nowadays. That Bones price, and GW models are way nicer than Bones material. Probably the only better goblins are Redbox Games (Tre Manor)'s, but his sculpts are rather small and sell for $20 USD for six.

There is no need for GW to making rank and file miniatures that are multi-piece where each model needs 5-10 pieces before you got a complete figure.

Other than to gouged their customers, which they do a very good job of these days.

Also I see this Silver Tower game as just another of their stand alone game where they will get a large influx of cash and then not put out another thing for it.

But if I lost the current GW figures that I own today I could not afford to replace them since the cost would be far to high.

I have over 400 goblins & around 170 Orks and that is just for my Ork and Goblin army.

I also have Empire, High Elf, Dwarves & Undead.

I have two Space Marine Chapters, Eldar, Imperial Guard & Orks for 40K.

But GW is pricing themselves out of business, sure they will still be around but there is a point to when individuals will stop paying their prices.

For me it was 15 years ago.

Oh and Judge Doug, I more than enough miniatures today that I really do not need to buy any more.

"There is no need for GW to making rank and file miniatures that are multi-piece where each model needs 5-10 pieces before you got a complete figure."

But they aren't. The Blood reavers are 2 pieces. The Blood warriors are 2-3 pieces. Only the bigger models and cavalry are typically 5 pieces or more.

Besides, as has been demonstrated over and over and over again in polls on this website customers want more than one pose for a type of model in everything but SYW. GW is giving the customers what they want.

"Also I see this Silver Tower game as just another of their stand alone game where they will get a large influx of cash and then not put out another thing for it."

And you're wrong about this, they have already advertised new releases for it.

It just seems like you don't know what you are talking about. You are consistently wrong about this stuff.

"I have over 400 goblins & around 170 Orks and that is just for my Ork and Goblin army.

I also have Empire, High Elf, Dwarves & Undead.

I have two Space Marine Chapters, Eldar, Imperial Guard & Orks for 40K.

I more than enough miniatures today that I really do not need to buy any more."

So one might wonder why you are complaining about the prices?

"The surge is due to a few bots with ADHD…"

I doubt it, there seems to be quite a bit of genuine excitement about AoS in a lot of places. There are 1,700 some members of r/ageofsigmar and that number is growing all the time.

So one might wonder why you are complaining about the prices?

There are individuals who would like to get into Miniature Wargaming but when it cost from $500 USD to over a $1,000 USD to just get one decent size army they will look elsewhere.

Because getting into Frostgrave or Saga is far cheaper.

There are 1,700 some members of r/ageofsigmar and that number is growing all the time.

There were thousands of WFB players, oh and they still are.

They just are not playing AoS.

And you're wrong about this, they have already advertised new releases for it.

Time will tell but they released Space Hulk sometime ago but there has been nothing else for it since then.

Plus Dreadfleet released back in 2011 and just what other support did it get?

Oh right, none.

The same goes for nearly every single stand alone game that they have put out.

So yes time will tell. But if sales suck they will stop supporting it.

Mithmee, GW plans to support Warhammer Quest for the foreseeable future. In fact, GW is releasing a box of extra heroes for use in Warhammer Quest next week. Is it safe to assume you will then switch gears to complain that GW is releasing too much stuff for the game and expects customers to shell out even more money so quickly? Please say yes.