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Personal logo Flashman14 Supporting Member of TMP06 May 2016 10:33 a.m. PST

There really should be one – gripping tale as everyone now knows.

Winston Smith06 May 2016 10:40 a.m. PST

Can't be done today.
Hollywood won't make a movie with heroic imperialist mercenaries being wiped out by Mexicans.

bsrlee06 May 2016 11:46 a.m. PST

Wait for President Combover, he'll support it

Personal logo The Virtual Armchair General Sponsoring Member of TMP06 May 2016 11:51 a.m. PST

Au Contraire, Mon Frere Jean!

They do it all the time!

But if they do make the "Mexican Zulu," they'll have to twist the thing so that the US is actually behind the whole French Intervention.

Of course, Abe Lincoln will be against the evil Republican/Conservative plan to conquer Mexico through tricking the French into believing the Mexican People actually want to switch from tortillas and tequila to Croissants, Perrier, and Heavy Sauces. But he'll be assassinated first by a Texan wearing a "Build The Fence" lapel pin, who will himself then be killed by Oliver Stone.

Of course the ultimate Behind The Veil villain will be the Winchester Repeating Arms Company who wants the Civil Wars--ours and the one in Mexico--to last forever, guaranteeing enormous sales to all governments.

But to give the whole heavy-with-history film a heart, Hollywood will pull out all the stops and weave into the story the tragic and clandestine love affair between Maximilian and Mary Todd Lincoln. Their hot tub scene in the palace of Chapultepec will parboil the audience--but make them wonder if "Hot Mary" or "Maxel" have a hand in getting Abe to attend the theater…. Of course, though, all such romances must end tragically, and when Lyndon Johnson, Abe's successor to the Presidency, reveals Mary's darkest secret--her trans sexual turn (from mountain man, Jim Bridger to "Mary Todd") in that state visit to Sweden--Max has her committed to an institution

Of course, proper casting will be crucial. I see Angelina Jolie, a rehabilitated Mel Gibson, Liam Neeson, and Paulie Shore for principles.

Or do you see the project differently?

TVAG

Personal logo Flashman14 Supporting Member of TMP06 May 2016 11:58 a.m. PST

I'm with you on Jolie and Shore – the rest are insanely improbable!

Personal logo Flashman14 Supporting Member of TMP06 May 2016 12:00 p.m. PST

But seriously, who to play Danjou?

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Robert Patrick comes to mind but he's much older than 35.

dBerczerk06 May 2016 12:41 p.m. PST

Edward Norton as Capitain D'Anjou?

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Shedman06 May 2016 1:12 p.m. PST

It will be a supporting actor who plays D'Anjou as he dies quite early on

Unless they get Quentin Tarantino to do it "Pulp Fiction" style

MH Dee06 May 2016 1:20 p.m. PST

I'm pretty sure I watched either a film or a TV docu-drama about Camerone as a kid…

…or I might have dreamt it.

Broglie06 May 2016 1:52 p.m. PST

After the battle they will discover that 14 of the legionnaires are actually strong independent minded women dressed up.

Mad Guru06 May 2016 3:45 p.m. PST

It's my lifelong dream.

I am a somewhat successful feature screenwriter & TV show-runner, and also hosted a big Camerone game on the 150th anniversary of the battle in 2013.

All the challenges mentioned above exist, but once in a while such atypical projects manage to get made.

I've mentioned here on TMP before that several scripts have been written over the years, though none ever got very close to being made, at least that I know of. One of them was written and would've been made by my favorite writer-director of all time, Sam Fuller, who many of you will know fought as an infantryman in the 1st Inf. Division in WWII, before making such classics as The Steel Helmet and The Big Red One.

One down-side of being regularly employed is it doesn't leave time to pursue personal dream projects, at least not while I'm also working on labor-intensive terrain projects and running games when I can. But I'm not getting any younger, so maybe it's time to put my hobby efforts on hold and focus the little free time I have on this…

Sorry to go off on such a personal tangent!

Oh, I did manage to have a character tell the story of Camerone, in an episode of the Showtime TV show SLEEPER CELL, which my partner & I created and ran. It was a French character and the episode was set in Mexico, so it actually worked. I knew the network would not be enthusiastic about keeping it in the cut, since it involved arguably obscure military history and wasn't truly needed to further the plot, so I stacked the deck by scoring that part of the scene with the Legion chorus singing "Le Boudin". When they gave notes they were most concerned with convincing us to remove, "that crazy music" -- which I had kind of expected. So we pulled the cue but kept the Camerone monologue in place. One of my slickest triumphs as a TV producer!

Personal logo The Virtual Armchair General Sponsoring Member of TMP08 May 2016 1:29 p.m. PST

If you can contact the appropriate Re-enactor units in France and Mexico, you might solve all manner of problems--and costs--for extras, fully and correctly costumed--and only pay to defray travel costs to your location.

A copy of the Camerone enclosure would be a fairly cheap build--certainly cheaper than either of the US Alamo reconstructions!

The script, however, is everything. If it doesn't engage the otherwise ignorant audience, any finished product won't have the "legs" to make it a profitable project. Mind, it should play in Mexico and in France to good audiences, and if you can figure out what that would translate to in plausible box office in those two markets, that might be the budget to shoot for. If you can make it all back in those audiences, the profit will come from worldwide distribution, cable, and DVD sales. I PROMISE to buy one, so there's $19.95 USD right there…on paper.

Danjou should NOT be the main character. If it's all about him, his death will be the high point of the film, and all the rest a long, loud denouement that will not satisfy the audience. The protagonist should be one or all of the (three?) survivors. While their actual biographies--to the extent these are known/available--should be the starting point for developing their characters, you should not be above fudging the facts, very much as the Cy Enfield did for is script of "Zulu."

"Hook" was no scoundrel, and the rest were manipulated to help make a good story. Go thou and do likewise (especially if the facts are unknown or unremarkable enough not to be useful).

Nappy III should be the off-stage villain of the piece, the one to direct all modern audience antipathy to "Imperialism" towards--and not unfairly or incorrectly. US sympathy to Juarez and his cause should also, rightly, be alluded to (so the audience will know where WE were in all this mess), but as this little kerfuffle of a Civil War was going on at the moment, we weren't able to do much more than sympathize.

While costs used to be a lot cheaper for films shot on location in Mexico, and there was (is still?) plenty of competent technicians at the old Churubusco studios of their own film industry, I don't know that actually shooting down there would be such a good idea. Between drug wars and "La Mordida," the insurance costs alone could be prohibitive, and the real danger of Yanqui cast and crew being subject to extortion (kidnapping and other threats--or actual occurrences) might make even a short shooting schedule more trouble than it's worth.

It seems, though, that financial support, at least, might still come from Mexican interests on both sides of the Rio Grande given the genuinely patriotic nature of such a project. I don't know how friendly their Government would be to such a project (unless you give Nappy III Donald Trump's hair).

But if you can get a pretty good estimate of the actual production costs, maybe this is something that might receive at least some backing through Indiegogo or Kickstarter, though I don't have any idea how "international" those services are and whether investment by supporters of the project--who are distributed worldwide--would be able to find out about such programs and contribute meaningfully.

I suspect that if the Foreign Legion were itself approached, they might be able to offer help, if not of a financial nature. Maybe they'd let you make an authentic copy of Danjou's arm, if not actually use it, and other information to help add color to the film. At the very least, if there was some buzz that the Legion itself was in favor of this film, that would get some unusual promotion.

You could at least count on all current and former Legionnaires buying a ticket!

Then again, whoever might speak for the Legion in such a project would want to see a script first, and they'd have to be pleased with it, so that might be a problem depending on how your script treats the FFL. And, if they just hated it, you certainly would get not only no help, but they might even pan it before you've shot the first scene.

Hope you already know somebody who knows somebody who knows how to approach the FFL and/or French Government delicately to see if any of this particular bit of blue-skying is actual practical.

Maybe you'd have to shoot in France--if not Spain--to most affordably bring all your assets together, but clearly that's a decision you can't make until you know what the money situation is and--minor detail--have a script that's smokin'!

If you think of this as "Mexican Zulu," you should do very well. Strong performances from one or two Big Names, and some very good, but not yet "big," performers in all the character roles, plus tons of action--and just a touch of Blarney--and the whole thing should work.

I'm ready for my close-up now, Mr. DeMille….

TVAG

WillieB28 May 2016 4:17 p.m. PST

Where can I buy a ticket? Or rather 150 as each and every one of our club members will want to see this.

It's a story about true fighting soldiers and their motivation isn't important.

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