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GARS190012 Apr 2016 2:41 p.m. PST

Who makes early 16th cen Border Reivers? I was thinking Flodden era, roughly. Also, what was the typical kit of these men? The Osprey book on Renaissance Scottish armies lists just about anything under the sun: pistols, lances, crossbows, arquebuses, swords, with maybe a helmet and brigandine for protection. Also, who employed these men as mercenaries? I want to say that the english did sometimes, but did anyone else?

Mako1112 Apr 2016 2:53 p.m. PST

Scale?

I don't think pistols were really very common with horse troops until around the mid-16th Century, but perhaps I am just misinformed, or uninformed on that.

I don't recall reading about their being used until after 1530, or so.

Some men in the renaissance era might carry arquebuses, bows, and/or crossbows.

I have the impression spears, and/or light lances would be far more likely for them, with perhaps a melee weapon as a side arm.

GARS190012 Apr 2016 3:14 p.m. PST

28mm, scale, sorry!

jefritrout12 Apr 2016 3:45 p.m. PST

I have a couple of bands of them from Sgt Major Miniatures.

link

That is the link to their Border Reivers page

Codsticker13 Apr 2016 8:40 a.m. PST

Perry's in 40mm:
link

GildasFacit Sponsoring Member of TMP14 Apr 2016 11:25 a.m. PST

The old Vendel figures at SMM are Elizabethan so it depends on what you mean by 'early 16th C'. The Perry's stuff is a bit more of a mixture, some of those wouldn't be out of place at Flodden but others are more Armada period.

Men from both sides of the border fought with their country at Flodden and also as mercenaries in the Netherlands and even further afield. They were more akin to professional soldiery in English service rather than mercenaries – just because they served for pay doesn't make them mercenaries.

Pistols unlikely to be common, even in 1530. Bows & crossbows, axes, swords, any type of polearm, light lance (or longish spear on foot) – if it killed and maimed you can bet they used one. Mostly lighter armour; bits of mail, brigandine, coat of plates, quilted jacks but often with a targe or buckler (unusual as they were out of fashion). Even border lords could fight in realively little armour – attested by them being indistinguishable from their men and so killed rather than ransomed.


Can't help with earlier types in that scale but the new 10mm mounted border horse (code ER19) by Pendraken should
give you an idea what they would look like.

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