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werwulf10 Apr 2016 11:54 p.m. PST

Not going to review the Team Yankee set as it's been done but an observation I noted building my M1's the other day. I decided to do a couple M1IP. Searching to see what the differences were I used a bunch of references and to my amazement I found that the model represented by BF as an M1 is in fact an M1IP or M1A1. The turret provided will NEVER make an M1 as the front turret glacis is the thickened version of the M1IP or M1A1. You can tell by the location of the the front tow cable lug. On the M1 this lug was very close to the angle/seem of the front glacis and the side armor. On the M1IP/ M1A1 there is quite a distance between both due to the addition of armor to the front glacis. Also the angle is different and the distance from the edge of the turret overhangs the Drivers hatch on the M1A1 not so on the M1. Not to impressed with that. I'm sure I'll get called a rivet counter but if you advertise as an M1 make an M1 not an M1A1 that you could just call an M1. My question is why not just do a separate turret! They did a separate deck for the BMP-2 why not do the same with the M1 but for the turret! This is not just a small hickup either. I mean if they provided the turret and the 105 and 120MM I could let it go as lazy, I've got the 120mm just a screw up but BF put the different M1 tool compartments,turret grating/fencing and different drive sprocket, this seems like a deliberate shafting or perhaps BF needs to get a better reference person. Here's evidence:

M1:
link


M1A1:
link

freerangeegg11 Apr 2016 2:09 a.m. PST

Since I made mine as M1A1s I don't have a problem with it.

PzGeneral11 Apr 2016 2:22 a.m. PST

Here are your pictures.

M1

picture

M1A1

picture

Mako1111 Apr 2016 2:35 a.m. PST

I think I can live with those differences, but good catch on the model(s).

werwulf11 Apr 2016 2:47 a.m. PST

Thanks PzGeneral. Thought they had posted.

shaun from s and s models11 Apr 2016 3:54 a.m. PST

assuming the drawings are correct, but in 15mm who is going to know or care.

skippy000111 Apr 2016 5:12 a.m. PST

This is TMP. It matters.

coopman11 Apr 2016 5:49 a.m. PST

M1 lives matter.

Mute Bystander11 Apr 2016 6:58 a.m. PST

If it matters to him, it is important to him.

Myself, they are all targets for bombs, rockets, and laser Guided munitions…

Puddinhead Johnson11 Apr 2016 7:29 a.m. PST

It's really hard for me to see the difference. And in 1/100 scale?

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP11 Apr 2016 7:38 a.m. PST

Looking at the two images I can see no difference that the OP is talking about. The angle looks the same to me. The noticeable difference seems to em that the A1 has a plate or hatch between the smoke and cable.

darthfozzywig11 Apr 2016 7:59 a.m. PST

Piping and turnbacks are the wrong color for that year.

15mm and 28mm Fanatik11 Apr 2016 8:16 a.m. PST

Does it have the right number of rivets though? If not it's a deal breaker and I'll have no choice but to eBay mine and get Khurasan's instead.

ScottS11 Apr 2016 9:50 a.m. PST

The other day I played a game of checkers with my kids. Look at the crown on the piece:

Compare that to the crown of St. Edward:

Milton Bradley's crown is NOT!

Goonfighter11 Apr 2016 1:04 p.m. PST

I thought all tanks were Tigers, so it's totally wrong anyway.

Navy Fower Wun Seven11 Apr 2016 1:51 p.m. PST

Some good laughs on this thread – thanks all!

Its pretty clear from even a cursory look at the sprue that BF are intending the model to be used either as an M1 or M1A1, so the the core parts are fudged accordingly to allow a reasonable facsimile of either model…

Nothing to see here, move along the bus please!

Pedrobear11 Apr 2016 8:15 p.m. PST

I can't really see the difference between the parts highlighted, but I do notice that the barrels are different and that one has the ammo stowage that the other doesn't.

GeoffQRF11 Apr 2016 11:42 p.m. PST

Or we offer the M1, M1IP, M1A1 and M1A2

link

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