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10 Sep 2016 5:38 a.m. PST
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Personal logo Flashman14 Supporting Member of TMP01 Apr 2016 6:19 a.m. PST

Why is this an ethical question at all?
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I'm American, and I've never encountered this attitude amongst people I've dealt with. Just wondering if it's a UK thing.

Poll question: Who is more likely to find profit seeking unethical?
American gamers or
UK gamers?
Both equal

To me, ads are an aesthetic question for a blog, not a moral one.

McWong7301 Apr 2016 6:35 a.m. PST

I think there's a lot of misunderstanding about how digital advertising works, and is worth, round these parts.

Personal logo Mister Tibbles Supporting Member of TMP01 Apr 2016 7:24 a.m. PST

I could speak the truth on this, but I'd get dawghoused.

PrivateSnafu01 Apr 2016 7:56 a.m. PST

it really comes down to where you sit on the continuum of free market economics. I have no problem with them, I have AdBlock installed on Chrome. Strips most out.

Weasel01 Apr 2016 8:11 a.m. PST

The internet in general have a strong sense of "Information should be free" without really understanding what "free" means.

A wargame blog is unlikely to get enough traffic to make any adds worth much, if any, money.

It's not really different to how we as gamers will complain because a figure is 2.25 when it could be 2.15 dollars :)

RavenscraftCybernetics01 Apr 2016 8:46 a.m. PST

a lot of confusion stems from misunderstanding the nature of the internet.
the World Wide Web (TM) was a commercial venture specifically while the Internet was supposed to be strictly academic.

rmaker01 Apr 2016 9:48 a.m. PST

the Internet was supposed to be strictly academic.

Huh? Why? Because some dork in a university ivory tower said so?

Cosmic Reset01 Apr 2016 11:24 a.m. PST

In answer to the poll question:

Those that aren't profiting.

Stryderg01 Apr 2016 11:35 a.m. PST

Huh? Why? Because some dork in a university ivory tower said so?

Because it was developed by DARPA (US military advanced research agency)…ie. tax payer funded. Then handed over to universities.

"Internet" does not equal "World Wide Web"

daler240D01 Apr 2016 11:43 a.m. PST

at the same time it seems any rules that are NOT commercial get no respect. i.e. free rules are not taken seriously by anybody, or at least don't ever seem to be discussed on TMP.

Lee Brilleaux Fezian01 Apr 2016 11:45 a.m. PST

And why is this a poll question? Why must everything be a poll question?

See, we can all do this :)

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP01 Apr 2016 11:47 a.m. PST

As a Norwegian Democratic sosialist, I do find alot of americans to capitalist for my taste.

I follow sevral people on youtube, and I do find the americans are much more pushy in getting money.

I follow Totalbiscut a British videogame personality(but living in america) and I find his style of transparity ect to be much more like my own,

I don't have that many views on my blog but even if I did I would not try and make money on it. Those few bucks I might make is not worth botheing those that might want to look at my blog. I'm happy for all views and comments I get on my blog, I do not want to bother those that do that.

Cold Steel01 Apr 2016 12:02 p.m. PST

the Internet was supposed to be strictly academic

Sorry, but it was developed initially as an alternate, non-nodal communications system that would survive a nuclear attack on our major cities.

jdpintex01 Apr 2016 1:02 p.m. PST

I'll give you an answer for five bucks.

Mako1101 Apr 2016 2:06 p.m. PST

I'm with Mr. Tibbles.

Having money = survival.

Winston Smith01 Apr 2016 6:02 p.m. PST

Here you go Senor Squint:
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Weasel02 Apr 2016 5:14 p.m. PST

at the same time it seems any rules that are NOT commercial get no respect. i.e. free rules are not taken seriously by anybody, or at least don't ever seem to be discussed on TMP.

Yup. There's a few exceptions like FUBAR, but generally, people associate charging money with perceived value.

And heck, without naming names, I've downloaded free games that were a lot more comprehensive than ones I paid 20+ dollars for in book-form.

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP11 Sep 2016 5:54 a.m. PST

Apparently it isn't an ethical question. The title for the thread linked to identifies it as such (though the OP does not), I didn't see a response that discussed ethics. The general consensus seemed to be I don't care what you put on your page as long as it doesn't inhibit me getting to the bits I want to see in what I think is a timely manner.

Ottoathome11 Sep 2016 3:40 p.m. PST

I must agree with etotheipi. There is no real discussion of ethics.

To plunge into that I don't see how there could be, A blog is a blog and the creation of its owner. He can do what he wants. If he wants to put advertising on it, so be it. If he makes it so intrusive that in inhibits looking at the page, then again, like etotheipi I will simply avoid it.

In fact, as I sit there and think, I can't work up ANY ethical issues on this, unless you are going to say that attempting to make money out of a hobby is somehow wrong and that others have free claim to your intellectual property- or labor- or your blog. That would mean that people can dictate to you what you must write or publish for them, and not pay you for it, which is slavery.

I have seen this attitude here in America for 50 years in the game. A group of gamers exists. One gamer decides to splurge to buy molds and cast figures. The others in the group feel he should give them what they want for free because he's a "friend" and somehow is wrong in asking for compensation for his time, materials and labor. "Friends don't do that!" They say. One of the complainers might be a bricklayer. If you asked him as a friend to come over and patch your foundation would you expect him to do it for free?

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