Fred Cartwright | 21 Mar 2016 7:19 a.m. PST |
Just watched this film. Lots of great footage of Korean War era US Naval aircraft. I don't know if it is just me, but real footage seems better than CGI. William Holden puts in a pretty decent performance as the troubled naval aviator too. |
GeoffQRF | 21 Mar 2016 7:25 a.m. PST |
…F9F Panthers… IMBD: "In the movie, Brubaker (William Holden) and his squadron mates fly the Grumman F9F Panther but in the book by James Michener upon which the movie is based, they fly a different plane, the McDonnell F2H Banshee. Both planes were used contemporaneously by the U.S. Navy and both flew combat missions in Korea so the use of the F9F Panther in the film isn't at all anarchistic. In all likelihood, the change in aircraft was do either to logistical considerations or possible to the fact the Panther is just a sexier more photogenic jet then the gangly, vulture-like Banshee." Were they right? Panther:
Banshee:
And this is apparently what happens when you land on the wrong carrier…
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darthfozzywig | 21 Mar 2016 7:44 a.m. PST |
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Fred Cartwright | 21 Mar 2016 7:46 a.m. PST |
I like them both, but a big fan of 50's and 60's jets anyway. Any idea what the piston engine fighters are that do the final strafing runs after Brubaker is shot down? You don't get a really clear look at them. I would assume either AD-4 Skyraiders or AU-1 Corsairs. |
jpattern2 | 21 Mar 2016 7:50 a.m. PST |
Agreed, a great war movie, and one of Mickey Rooney's best roles. No argument that practical effects beat CGI hands-down. Both the Panther and the Banshee are favorites of mine, so I'd have have been good either way. |
Joes Shop | 21 Mar 2016 8:07 a.m. PST |
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Fred Cartwright | 21 Mar 2016 8:16 a.m. PST |
Oh and I think IMBD means anachronistic not anarchistic! Lol! |
David Manley | 21 Mar 2016 8:31 a.m. PST |
Little known fact, there is actually a place called To Ko Ri in Korea, there was a bridge there but it was taken out by the FAA |
OldGrenadier at work | 21 Mar 2016 8:39 a.m. PST |
Fred, they are probably Skyraiders. |
Mute Bystander | 21 Mar 2016 8:43 a.m. PST |
I have it on DVD at home and I think they were Skyraiders. |
Mute Bystander | 21 Mar 2016 8:46 a.m. PST |
Panthers look more "fighter'ish" but the Banshee would look scarier if you were on the ground and it made a pass IMO. Vulture – never thought of it that way but yes… |
GeoffQRF | 21 Mar 2016 9:03 a.m. PST |
Funny, isn't it. Both basically the same configuration, but really quite distinctively different look. |
dragon6 | 21 Mar 2016 10:09 a.m. PST |
The Panther exudes the Grumman Iron mystique. They just look right. |
Buckeye AKA Darryl | 21 Mar 2016 10:31 a.m. PST |
This would have been a GREAT topic for the Korean War gaming forum: link |
Fred Cartwright | 21 Mar 2016 10:38 a.m. PST |
Grumman fighters certainly have the look and the Panther is one of my favourites. Bearcat is a very handsome fighter too. Skyraiders makes sense for the piston engine types as the wing does look straight rather than the gull wing Corsair. Does anyone know what the mix of jets to piston engine attack aircraft on US Navy carriers was in Korea? |
Virginia Tory | 21 Mar 2016 11:59 a.m. PST |
The piston engined planes in the film are definitely Skyraiders. Both Holden and Rooney refer to them as "ADs" a few times. There's another film called The Fighting Lady that documents Michener's experiences covering naval air (from which he was inspired to write the novel). |
Legion 4 | 21 Mar 2016 1:57 p.m. PST |
I really enjoyed the movie ! Saw it a few times ! |
Allen57 | 21 Mar 2016 2:57 p.m. PST |
The carrier used in the movie is the USS Oriskany. I served 3 1/2 years on the Mighty O during Vietnam. A grand old lady of the carrier world. Gotta love the Panther and Banshee. Two of my favorites. 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