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Fred Cartwright21 Mar 2016 7:19 a.m. PST

Just watched this film. Lots of great footage of Korean War era US Naval aircraft. I don't know if it is just me, but real footage seems better than CGI. William Holden puts in a pretty decent performance as the troubled naval aviator too.

GeoffQRF21 Mar 2016 7:25 a.m. PST

…F9F Panthers…

IMBD: "In the movie, Brubaker (William Holden) and his squadron mates fly the Grumman F9F Panther but in the book by James Michener upon which the movie is based, they fly a different plane, the McDonnell F2H Banshee. Both planes were used contemporaneously by the U.S. Navy and both flew combat missions in Korea so the use of the F9F Panther in the film isn't at all anarchistic. In all likelihood, the change in aircraft was do either to logistical considerations or possible to the fact the Panther is just a sexier more photogenic jet then the gangly, vulture-like Banshee."

Were they right?

Panther:

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Banshee:
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And this is apparently what happens when you land on the wrong carrier…

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darthfozzywig21 Mar 2016 7:44 a.m. PST

Love that movie.

Fred Cartwright21 Mar 2016 7:46 a.m. PST

I like them both, but a big fan of 50's and 60's jets anyway. Any idea what the piston engine fighters are that do the final strafing runs after Brubaker is shot down? You don't get a really clear look at them. I would assume either AD-4 Skyraiders or AU-1 Corsairs.

jpattern221 Mar 2016 7:50 a.m. PST

Agreed, a great war movie, and one of Mickey Rooney's best roles.

No argument that practical effects beat CGI hands-down.

Both the Panther and the Banshee are favorites of mine, so I'd have have been good either way.

Joes Shop Supporting Member of TMP21 Mar 2016 8:07 a.m. PST

Agreed!

Fred Cartwright21 Mar 2016 8:16 a.m. PST

Oh and I think IMBD means anachronistic not anarchistic! Lol!

David Manley21 Mar 2016 8:31 a.m. PST

Little known fact, there is actually a place called To Ko Ri in Korea, there was a bridge there but it was taken out by the FAA

OldGrenadier at work21 Mar 2016 8:39 a.m. PST

Fred, they are probably Skyraiders.

Mute Bystander21 Mar 2016 8:43 a.m. PST

I have it on DVD at home and I think they were Skyraiders.

Mute Bystander21 Mar 2016 8:46 a.m. PST

Panthers look more "fighter'ish" but the Banshee would look scarier if you were on the ground and it made a pass IMO. Vulture – never thought of it that way but yes…

GeoffQRF21 Mar 2016 9:03 a.m. PST

Funny, isn't it. Both basically the same configuration, but really quite distinctively different look.

dragon6 Supporting Member of TMP21 Mar 2016 10:09 a.m. PST

The Panther exudes the Grumman Iron mystique. They just look right.

Buckeye AKA Darryl21 Mar 2016 10:31 a.m. PST

This would have been a GREAT topic for the Korean War gaming forum:

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Fred Cartwright21 Mar 2016 10:38 a.m. PST

Grumman fighters certainly have the look and the Panther is one of my favourites. Bearcat is a very handsome fighter too.
Skyraiders makes sense for the piston engine types as the wing does look straight rather than the gull wing Corsair. Does anyone know what the mix of jets to piston engine attack aircraft on US Navy carriers was in Korea?

Virginia Tory21 Mar 2016 11:59 a.m. PST

The piston engined planes in the film are definitely Skyraiders. Both Holden and Rooney refer to them as "ADs" a few times.

There's another film called The Fighting Lady that documents Michener's experiences covering naval air (from which he was inspired to write the novel).

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse21 Mar 2016 1:57 p.m. PST

I really enjoyed the movie ! Saw it a few times !

Allen5721 Mar 2016 2:57 p.m. PST

The carrier used in the movie is the USS Oriskany. I served 3 1/2 years on the Mighty O during Vietnam. A grand old lady of the carrier world. Gotta love the Panther and Banshee. Two of my favorites.

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