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Mute Bystander Inactive Member17 Mar 2016 7:25 a.m. PST

Just finished listening to some whiny hysterical "End of the World" secularist anti-nuclear activist with his extremely outlandish "1 million times we almost went to nuclear war" (okay maybe it was 100… or 20… or 10…) you tube drama moment so excuse the OOT title.

Back on topic:

As an aerial war gamer I was looking at a Cold War gone Hot type game and I was debating on what decade toset the game.

My Poll question to TMP is:

What would be the "best" temporal setting for a WWP/NATO conflict in game play terms in your opinions?

0) Huh? What was the Question?

1) The 1950s when all those WW2 research projects could be fielded?

2) The 1960s (my favorite would be a Soviet over reaction the Six Days War)

3) The 1970s (seems the land/air/sea forces were at some level of parity) – an American over reaction to the Yom Kippur War?

4) The 1980s

5) The 1990s

6) earlier – WW2 become The War of Allied Fratricide

7) Other?

8) No Opinion

9) You can't do that! That is not hysterical… I mean historical!

ubercommando Inactive Member17 Mar 2016 7:38 a.m. PST

I'd say 1958: Increased tensions after Hungary, Iraq and Panama. What's good about this is that you get the end of a phase in US military technology; it's the last year of the Garand as the main army rifle, the M41 is still around, the Pershing is coming to and end and being replaced by the M48, the Century series of USAF aircraft is reaching its peak so there's an interesting time for hardware there.

1962: Cuban missile crisis goes all the way. It will be difficult finding suitable US army figures though.

1965: My preferred cold war gone hot time period. Centurions, T62s, M-60s, V bombers, SLRs, early M16s, F-4 Phantoms, Britain still has angled deck aircraft carriers. Both sides get embroiled in the 1st Indo-Pakistan war and it all gets out of hand, China's just tested its first atomic bomb.

1975: The Ford administration takes a robust stand over Soviet super subs at a time when the Soviets are really keen to use them.

1985: Everyone has new, shiny, computer assisted kit.

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member17 Mar 2016 8:00 a.m. PST


The US had lost the Vietnam War & had pulled out all combat troops.

Ideal time for a Soviet pre-emptive strike on the US: get your enemies whilst they are on a back foot.

Obviously, it was a blessing neither side actually did anything….shall we say "terminal"?

zippyfusenet Inactive Member17 Mar 2016 9:02 a.m. PST

You say this is for an airwar game? Then you must start no later than 1959. It's pre-missile age, and the B-36 Peacemaker is still in service. Send your B-36s on deep-penetration raids into the USSR, dropping parasite fighters to fend off the Migs. Meanwhile NORAD fighters desperately try to pull off a perfect defense against incoming Soviet nuclear bombers.

"General, we just lost Newark and radar plots bombers headed for Trenton."

"Perfect. Keep all the night fighters circling over Minnesota."

skippy0001 Supporting Member of TMP17 Mar 2016 9:07 a.m. PST

1 & 2……No computors, BIG tanks, battle Rifles outnumber assault rifles, great looking jets(even the ones that didn't work), PENTOMIC and TriCap TO&E's, classic Soviet operational art, ship-borne missiles(Talos, BOMARC, Regulus etc.), early space race and the best looking cars.

I would go with the 'Prague Spring'.(1968)

MH Dee Inactive Member17 Mar 2016 9:09 a.m. PST

'whiny hysterical "End of the World" secularist'

Funny that, considering the amount of 'End-Times' christians going around. Many of them even seem to be looking forward to it.

ubercommando Inactive Member17 Mar 2016 10:03 a.m. PST

There are ALWAYS end time Christians, they're nothing new.

Our resident prophet of doom, Tango, hasn't weighed in with his choice yet.

Mute Bystander Inactive Member17 Mar 2016 11:44 a.m. PST

whiny hysterical "End of the World" secularist'

Funny that, considering the amount of 'End-Times' christians going around. Many of them even seem to be looking forward to it.

I just assume "everybody/every group" has at least one in one format or another. grin

Sigh, and I hear you – even as an evangelical Presbyterian I too am tired of all the "chatter" about one set of interpretation (not mine) of one book – out of 66 – of Scripture by some groups/individuals and try to avoid starting up those who think it is our mission (it isn't IMO) to convince others by scaring the bejesus (pardon the expression) out of people.

I think the mainstream Protestant view of after the "end times" – a whole different thread not suitable for this forum – is pretty good, the actual portrayals by some of their interpretation of the "end time" not so much.

Back on topic, and I apologize for the divergence, Zippyfusenet you had me trying to not laugh out loud at work. As a native Angeleņo I have the same black humor only it involves San Francisco…

I do like the Skyray so those 1950s aircraft might woo me although I mostly (in American aircraft) have 1960s to 1970s craft. Strangely, I have a lot of 1950s British jet fighters too…

Though I do not know of a B-36 in 1/600th scale source… That could be a difficulty…

skippy0001 Supporting Member of TMP17 Mar 2016 10:14 p.m. PST

Every End of the World is a New Beginning….a western with M16's.

I just want to see waves of T55's go up against a battery of Davy Crocketts. That would be so cool, right up until my retinas melt.:)

Weasel Inactive Member18 Mar 2016 12:32 p.m. PST

The standard answer is Cuba, but I kind of like the Berlin blockade for a spark.

Rallynow Supporting Member of TMP19 Mar 2016 11:56 p.m. PST

1962 Cuban Missile Crises and 1983 Able Archer.



Rallynow Supporting Member of TMP20 Mar 2016 12:04 a.m. PST

Able Archer was scary close.

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