"Condottieri army with perry? " Topic

Perry metal and plastic?

I'm thinking first half of 15th century. Time of hussite wars and other conflict in central europe and bohemia.

Its the same period as the HYW range.

the metal has better choices if you want troops that fought in Italy during the 15th century. they also have metal Italian heads to go with the plastic European mercenaries box set.

I've seen some nice looking minis painted up for Italy, using their existing figs, and/or with some of their options you can purchase separately.

They look really great!

I've seen some fantastic painting useinh Merc and WOTR plastic boxes, but they are a little to late?

I was thinking 1400-1440s before the mecinary box.

The new Agincourt plastic French might do?, and the English can be used in some campaigns.
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The Agincourt to Orléans range will be perfect, especially if you mix in their metal (very) early Italian Wars range (you've got to have a carroccio!)

Yep, just go with Agincourt if you want the early 1400s.

Would the perry pavises work for Condottieri?

If you are going for a Condottieri force, you probably want to get quite some mounted men-at-arms. Perrys have announced that they are planning to do those in plastic for their Agincourt range, but that might take a while.

Of course if you prefer metals, they already have a number of metal cavalry sets available.

And if you want to give your men-at-arms the option to fight also dismounted, the Perrys already provide the option both in metal and plastic.

Would Condottieri use pikes this early?

How would you go about making them?

Would Condottieri use pikes this early?

"Luckily we have two sources that prescribe pike lengths. The first can be found in an article by Müller-Hickler from 1906 where he writes that the citizens of Turin in the north of Italy had to have pikes of 18 feet in 1327." – from link

There are some infantry with pikes visible in the background of the San Romano painting, which fits your original timeframe – link

Thanks for all the help people! I'll look around to see if i can kit bash some pikemen!

Any good sources for color themes to use for the Condottieri?

For colours, try the "Stemme et imprese" site – stemmieimprese.it

There's also a book on San Romano which picks out the identifying "colour schemes" used for the two sides – can't remember the author. Of course that may relate more to the paintings than to what was historically worn, but if it was good enough for Paolo Uccello…

I'll look around to see if i can kit bash some pikemen!

You could also just try buying them straight from the Perrys:

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The San Romano book I meant was link

It discusses the use of a red-white colour scheme for the Florentines and red-white-black for the Sienese.

Most of the Perry Agincourt range are useable for "Condottieri wars" of the first half of the 15th century. Much of the armor in Europe was manufactured in Northern Italy.