"Age of Sigmar "rend"" Topic

All, we are considering to playtest Age of Sigmar and have noticed something interesting, but I could be wrong and if so please offer such critiques.

There is a characteristic called rend in AOS on the warscrolls which was the topic of some comments by someone in our group that I have copied here.

"Until I compare the Age of Sigmar (AoS) Warscrolls with the Warhammer Fantasy (WF) army books, I think that we should not print any AoS Warscroll lists. I think that the WF army lists are pretty much like the AoS Warscrolls. But, I need to compare the individual datum of each character and unit to be sure. In particular, I want to see if WF has the datum that is called "Rend" in AoS. I plan to do the comparison this afternoon. If I am right, then we can use the WF army books rather than the AoS Warscolls from the internet.

To me, AoS is WF with slightly different combat rules. AoS has the same strengths and weaknesses as WF. Personally, this is not a system that I will play. It is rule set that I had never liked. I am happy to watch others play it.

Of course, at present AoS has no published point system for creating armies. It does not need it, because one can use the WF point system. I would assume that somebody among the tens of thousands of WF players will figure this out. It took me seconds to see this after looking at the AoS Warscrolls and seeing that they are basically to WF army lists, which have points."

To me this seems a bit of an extreme statement. I'm not sure if it's right but any folks who have played AOS please comment.

Perhaps AOS is not such a departure from 8th edition afterall.

I disagree with your friend, but it works for your group then it's fine .

Some folks have created pint systems for the game. Here is o e example: link

I've said that from the beginning. The units are pretty much the same as WF. IF you used points values from WHFB you could probably do a good approximation in AoS.

They wouldn't be exactly the same but in a 2000 pt battle the differences would be less than the difference in the points failure of two armies facing each other anyway.

For your friend the "rend" stat for weapons would be about the same as the armour save modifier for strength in WHFB.

So -1 for S4, -2 for S5 and so on.

Interesting thought! We initially liked AoS and played them a lot but we just couldn't find a way of balancing the armies. We've moved onto other things.

To be clear – the AoS core shooting and combat mechanisms are straight lifts from Alessio Cavatore's Kings of War system – but that doesn't matter to the player.

If I can convince my 12 year old to give them another try using your suggestion of WF points system & army lists it could be interesting. Right now though he's immersed in W40K again.

"To be clear – the AoS core shooting and combat mechanisms are straight lifts from Alessio Cavatore's Kings of War system – but that doesn't matter to the player."

I think they are probably older than that.