"How Operation Avalanche’s Filmmakers Duped NASA to ..." Topic

…Make ‘the Most Illegal Movie Ever'.

"Quick, what's your favorite conspiracy theory? Unless you're partial to Reptoid Aliens Living Under Denver International Airport, it's probably Faked Moon Landing. And why shouldn't it be? It's got everything necessary to be a late-night talk radio/dorm room smoke session favorite: A super-secret government organization (probably the CIA) enlists a filmmaker (possibly Stanley Kubrick) to fake footage of US astronauts on the moon. Matt Johnson milks this preposterous idea for drama and laughs in Operation Avalanche, which opened at Sundance last week.

The story focuses on a group of ambitious young CIA agents who infiltrate NASA under the guise of a documentary crew in order to uncover a Russian mole. Upon learning that NASA is about to blow the deadline for a putting a man on the moon, they get a new mission: Fabricate the Apollo 11 lunar landing. Yes, Stanley Kubrick gets involved. And yes, they find themselves in over their heads.

But here's the best part: That storyline isn't just the plot—it's how Johnson actually made the movie…."
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Amicalement
Armand

Myth Busters Proved the Moon Landing took place.

Actually, Myth Busters did not.

I am in the camp of, "yes, the moon landing happened," but even I raised an eyebrow at the things they called, "proof."

Like "They put a reflector up there, see, here we bounced a laser off the reflector and it comes back." With the moon being a reflective surface to begin with, do you really NEED the reflector to have "bounce-back?" The laser is not visible. How do I know it bounced back? Because you are telling me it did? Because your machine tells me it did? None of that can be deceptive at all.

Like I said, I am in the, "believe it," camp, but some of the things that some count as "proof" just give ammo to the other side.

I detest the moon landing hoax theory and in my spare time I like to take on the conspiracy nuts.

Landing on the moon was a real achievement and talk about hoaxes is an insult to the 400,000 people who worked to make it happen. What angers me is that the hoax theory gets so much publicity, young people are conned into thinking it was all faked.

No claim the hoax theorists make stands up to scrutiny. Myth Busters did a pretty good job disproving some of the more common claims of the hoaxers but it only scratched the surface of proving it was not faked.

The moon is somewhat reflective, but it's not precise. If you're going to fire a laser at a random bit of the moon, you will get a random result: The beam will probably not return to the lab. This is pretty much the opening line of this article about reflectors from the University of California: link

In science, things are accepted as true largely because of experimentation and peer review. These reflectors aren't just top secret machines operated by the NASA and the U.S. government; any lab in the world with a laser capable of lunar ranging can fire at the reflectors and get a reading. I have witnessed this at the National Space Centre in Leicester, United Kingdom. Those guys who work there, who have no vested interest in participating in some kind of moon hoax, know that the devices work and could spot fakery. These aren't dupes, they're highly trained and professional space scientists.

You may think this kind of thing is ammo, but I've found the die hard conspiracy theorists won't be convinced by any evidence. It's a belief system for them and the goal posts in any argument get shifted by them. Take, for example, the flag waving claim. No matter how much you explain physics to them; that the flag was on an L shaped aluminium pole and that it was moving because of the kinetic energy being transferred through banging and twisting the pole into the soil, they won't believe it. Some even go so far to say that physics is wrong and that it's been subverted by NASA or the Illuminati (which Isaac Newton was a part of so you can't trust Newtonian physics).

I've yet to hear a claim by hoaxers which stands up to scrutiny. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some people on YouTube that need correcting.

Maybe we can get the Chinese to run their rover over to one of the Apollo landing sites and take photos of the footprints left behind by the US astronauts.

All those who say the moon landing was real are forgetting one bit of science that makes it totally impossible as shown by NASA…

The Van Allen radiation belt!!!!

If we went to the moon it was not in that unshielded tin can they called a Lunar Lander. Much less did they walk around on the moon in those similarly unsielded space suits.

So far there is no publicly known tech that can get us past the extreme radiation levels of the Van Allen belt.

Back in 1969, just after the landing, my great-grand-mother said she went out to look up at the moon and "didn't see anyone up there. It's just Hollywood". I didn't try to argue.

Didn't Walter Pigeon destroy the Van Allen belt with the help of Peter Lorre Before the moon landing when it was on fire, I think the Histroicial reconds show that.

Remember who was President when the moon landing happened.

Between the moon landing is a fake conspiracy and the flat Earthers I despair for humanity.

I'm more apt to believe we have a military base on the moon than the idea we never landed people there. lol

And now, a word from the BBC on the effect of modern communication on conspiracy theory:

"Now, the intellectually deficient are no longer alone, no longer just isolated chunks of moronic driftwood floating in a vast sea of common sense. Now, they can talk to each other, echo each other's nonsense, convince themselves that not only are they right, they're actually the clever ones, the ones who know what's really going on while the rest of you are the dumb sheep chewing on a diet of lies."

Check out flat earth. Now that's the best of all conspiracy's. And there is a shed load of evidence. :-) That really puts the moon landing to bed.

Oh I can go one better on the Flat Earth Theory; the Concave Earth Theory! link

And for those who think the moon landings were faked….are you serious? Most of us on TMP pride ourselves on our ability to research history and to search for accuracy and yet….seriously, some of you think Apollo was faked?

Gear Pilot. Two things mitigate against the Chinese Jade Rabbit checking out the Apollo sites: 1, They've landed pretty far away from any of them and 2, they can only get the thing to work intermittently. It took the Americans and Russians up to half a dozen tries to get a lunar probe to work back in the 60s so for China to have a flawless, working moon probe on their first attempt would be optimistic to say the least.

Napthyme. You don't know how the Van Allen Radiation belts, or radiation in general, works. It is not an instant death globe. The VAB vary in intensity as they're a belt, not a sphere. The Apollo astronauts spent less than 20 minutes traversing them and received the equivalent dose of 2 x-rays. The Russians sent live animal specimens through the VAB and they returned fine. You can find out more about the dosage, types of radiation and how Apollo navigated through the VAB here: clavius.org/envradintro.html

Ryan T: Just how powerful was your great-grandmother's eyesight?

Cosmicbank: Nixon had been President for about 6 months when the landings happened. If he had authorised a fake moon landing programme he would have had to shut down a real Apollo programme instituted by his predecessors, start up and execute a fake programme in that time. Occam's Razor says you're wrong.

Ironwolf: The money ran out to put a military base on the Moon. And what would it be defending, anyway?

Flat Earth Theory
Concave Earth Theory
What about Hollow Earth Theory and the group that calls themselves Verne"ians"---in that everything that Jules Verne wrote was a fact

> In that everything that Jules Verne wrote was a fact

He did in fact write everything he wrote. Well, maybe he stole some of what he wrote.

It was aliens …

(smile)

Amicalement
Armand

Foil hats! Getchyer Foil hats here!
Honest-to-God Reynolds' Aluminum--100% American made!
Shiny side out to reflect the Orbital Mind-Control Lasers!
Keep the Aliens from reading your thoughts!
Foil Hats!

And I'm cuttin' me own throat,here!