| Tango01 | 30 Nov 2015 10:47 p.m. PST |
… Sea Fleet Completely Cut Off. "Turkey has begun a defacto blockade of Russian naval vessels, preventing transit through the Dardanelles and the Strait of Bosporus, between the Black Sea and Mediterranean. According to the AIS tracking system for the movement of maritime vessels, only Turkish vessels are moving along the Bosphorus, and in the Dardanelles there is no movement of any shipping at all. At the same time, both from the Black Sea, and from the Mediterranean Sea, there is a small cluster of ships under the Russian flag, just sitting and waiting. The image below shows the situation with the ships using the GPS transponder onboard each vessel:…"
See here
link Turkey has signed international agreements to not impede the transit of naval vessels, to do so would make it a pariah on any future treaty talks with any country or organization… Amicalement
Armand |
| Noble713 | 30 Nov 2015 10:53 p.m. PST |
Hmmm, I recall reading commentary earlier this week from people saying that closing access to/from the Black Sea could be considered an act of war. I dunno the veracity of that but….either way this seems like a huge escalation and the sort of behavior that is not going to win Turkey any nation-state friends in the long run. |
| Mako11 | 30 Nov 2015 10:56 p.m. PST |
Yea, I can see where this might lead to a larger fight. Interesting times we live in. |
| GeoffQRF | 01 Dec 2015 12:03 a.m. PST |
Something I said when Russia annexed Crimea. |
| lgkmas | 01 Dec 2015 12:35 a.m. PST |
I seem to recall that in earlier times the Transit of the Bosporus was restricted to non-naval vessels. That was the problem in WW2 when allied vessels were forbidden to transit to supply Russian forces. When did it change? |
| Mako11 | 01 Dec 2015 12:41 a.m. PST |
Well, if they do close it, Putin is going to be hopping mad. I can almost guarantee that will result in a total cutoff of energy supplies from Russia, due to that. Not sure what they'll do with all the excess though. Perhaps free Jacuzzis and heated outdoor swimming pools for the masses back in Mother Russia? |
| GeoffQRF | 01 Dec 2015 2:18 a.m. PST |
They are not permitted to prevent the travel of non-military vessels. Military vessels can be refused in times of war or aggression. |
| Barin1 | 01 Dec 2015 3:28 a.m. PST |
Our fleet and MOD are saying that everything goes as normal, though a couple of Russian ships were accompanied by Turkish vessels. Turks are trying to sweeten the situation, so closing of Bosphorus is definitely not in their interests and will indeed cause many unpleasant consequences.
BTW, these news have Ukrainian origin, so they're probably just want it very badly ;) |
| Chokidar | 01 Dec 2015 3:30 a.m. PST |
Do you believe everything fed to you Barin? |
| Jcfrog | 01 Dec 2015 3:46 a.m. PST |
Why would Russian media, including the several internet independants be utterly less reliable than say French, that I know quite well?
2/3 state owned, connovence working, 2 bn euros state help and almost saying same words at the same time.
If one does not go on internet ferreting these days… |
| Chokidar | 01 Dec 2015 3:47 a.m. PST |
Did any one suggest believing the French media either?
:-) |
| Barin1 | 01 Dec 2015 4:28 a.m. PST |
Chokidar, Very easy – if the straits were closed, gas will be cut off, and i will know it faster, than media ;)
Therefore – yes, I know when to beleive and when deny.
I suggest you find this sensation in any reliable media source, and then we can discuss who is beleiving in what ;) |
| Great War Ace | 01 Dec 2015 7:59 a.m. PST |
Ah, rumorseglumis. The Turks would have to be insane to block shipping to and from the Black Sea. Any shipping whatsoever…. |
 Legion 4  | 01 Dec 2015 8:12 a.m. PST |
The Turks would have to be insane If I extrapolated on this comment I'd be DH'd … |
| Lion in the Stars | 01 Dec 2015 8:32 a.m. PST |
If the Turks really blocked traffic through the Bosporus, that's considered an act of war under the treaties the Turks signed. Just like how cutting off the Suez was causus belli. |
| darthfozzywig | 01 Dec 2015 1:46 p.m. PST |
were closed, gas will be cut off, and i will know it faster, than media ;)
Therefore – yes He's got a point. :) |
| GeoffQRF | 01 Dec 2015 2:14 p.m. PST |
If you follow the link at the bottom of the link you get to live data of ships moving and anchored each side of the Straits. Not quite sure where the alleged story fits the data, as there appears to be no distinction for military vessels and every ship I looked at seems to be a merchant tanker/freight carrier. I suspect the dozen of so shown moored are simply waiting a morning transit time. |
| Mithmee | 01 Dec 2015 2:36 p.m. PST |
If I extrapolated on this comment I'd be DH'd … So would I. |
| freerangeegg | 01 Dec 2015 3:10 p.m. PST |
Apparently the Bosphorous and the airport were closed for a day due to a snowstorm. Someone has made a story out of nothing |
| darthfozzywig | 01 Dec 2015 4:04 p.m. PST |
Apparently the Bosphorous and the airport were closed for a day due to a snowstorm. That could snowball quickly. Get it? Har har. |
| Redroom | 01 Dec 2015 6:16 p.m. PST |
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| charared | 01 Dec 2015 8:15 p.m. PST |
"Half a league, half a league, Half a league onward,…" And so it goes… |
worries about not losing his rules stuff.
