| Tango01 | 25 Nov 2015 9:23 p.m. PST |
"Turkey shot down a Russian warplane for violating its airspace Tuesday, but the Turkish air force does the exact same thing several times a day in Greece. Turkey was quick to defend its action by stating it issued 10 warnings over the course of five minutes before firing on the plane. "The data we have is very clear. There were two planes approaching our border, we warned them as they were getting too close," a senior Turkish official told Reuters. "Our findings show clearly that Turkish air space was violated multiple times. And they violated it knowingly."…"
Full article here
link Amicalement
Armand |
| Mako11 | 25 Nov 2015 10:51 p.m. PST |
What comes around goes around. |
| Bangorstu | 26 Nov 2015 2:51 a.m. PST |
Given that Greek islands are on ly a few miles off the turkish coastline, I suspect it would be difficult for the Turks to fly around the Med and not violate Greek airspace… |
| GeoffQRF | 26 Nov 2015 3:31 a.m. PST |
Greek airspace:
Pretty much impossible to fly in the Aegean without crossing it at some point. Be intersting to know if they count 'airspace violation' as a single instance, or once for each island passed (as one entry and exit), as you could probably rack up about 30 violations on one flight up the Turkish coast. Then again, I wouldn't put it past the Turks to have deliberately overflown the islands… |
| Jemima Fawr | 26 Nov 2015 7:33 a.m. PST |
A lot of the figures are also Turkish military flights into and out of Cypriot airspace, which is 'Greek' territory. That said, as with Russia, if they get themselves shot down they only have themselves to blame. |
| Jemima Fawr | 26 Nov 2015 7:44 a.m. PST |
Geoff, they've counted each entry into Greek airspace, multiplied by the number of aircraft in a formation. A lot of it is also the 'extended' sovereign airspace limit which Greece claims (and is entitled to) but isn't ratified by anyone else yet – a bit like the US 'Rights of Navigation' patrols in the South China Sea. |
| GeoffQRF | 26 Nov 2015 7:58 a.m. PST |
So one flight of four aircraft over 2 islands in one flight could actually have been recorded at as many as 8 violations? |
 Legion 4  | 26 Nov 2015 8:14 a.m. PST |
The Turks and Greeks generally have not got along for centuries. And the Turk invasion of Cypress in '74. Leaving that island divided and still must be garrisoned by UN Forces. Didn't help either … Once again, the Turks being a NATO member prove they are not the best of allies. Plus they are becoming less secular and more Islamic daily in seems. An alarming trend we could say we see thru out the region. |
| rmaker | 26 Nov 2015 8:26 a.m. PST |
Geoff, that map is inaccurate. Greece STILL officially claims the Ionian coast it attempted to conquer after WW1, so a Turkish plane which remains entirely within Anatolia can violate Greek airspace, as far as the Greeks are concerned. I still remember hearing a radio interview of a British diplomat during one of the Cyprus crises. He said "The Turks consider the Greeks to be cheats, and the Greeks consider the Turks to be bullies. Unfortunately, they are both correct." |
| Tango01 | 26 Nov 2015 10:18 a.m. PST |
What about the Greek Airspace on the North borders?… (Albany- Bulgary-etc)… Amicalement
Armand |
| GeoffQRF | 26 Nov 2015 10:31 a.m. PST |
I think where there is an actual country border these things are more clearly defined. The issue mostly crops up along coastlines and different claims about how far their boundary extends from the nearest shore. |
| Legion 4 | 26 Nov 2015 7:31 p.m. PST |
Most Greeks in my town have no love for the Turks. Have never met any Turks here either ? |
| paulgenna | 27 Nov 2015 1:41 p.m. PST |
Maybe they will shoot a plane down now that Turkey has set the bar. |
shows off M-113s painted by 
