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Highland Guerilla24 Nov 2015 9:01 a.m. PST

Oh those nazis! link

Col Durnford24 Nov 2015 9:16 a.m. PST

Iraq tried the same thing.

bsrlee24 Nov 2015 7:30 p.m. PST

They tended to blow up rather spectacularly. There is a little understood phenomenon caused by pressure waves (maybe) forming in the barrel as the successive charges ignite. At the wrong time the pressure waves harmonise and cut through the barrel.

Something similar happens in muzzle loading guns if there is a big gap over the powder charge due to fouling & the projectile not being fully rammed, but there the usual effect is to bulge the barrel rather than exploding.

Griefbringer25 Nov 2015 11:09 a.m. PST

Notice also the dastardly (and not very succesful) Allied plan to attack it with a remotely piloted bomber loaded with 12 tons of explosives!

In miniature gaming, I guess you could try using it as an objective for a skirmish game – a commando troop is sent on a desperate mission beyond the enemy lines to destroy the gun before it can start shelling London.

JimDuncanUK25 Nov 2015 4:49 p.m. PST

@Griefbringer

The pilot of the remotely piloted bomber was none other than JFK's big brother.

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Mark 1 Supporting Member of TMP25 Nov 2015 5:52 p.m. PST

The problem with all of these concepts are:

1 ) It's a built-in appliance. No mobility. So from the outset you better put it where you want it! Of course, in wartime you always have many months to determine where you want to put a cannon round, right? And if the situation changes? Well just walk away from it, cause you sure ain't taking it with you when you go!

2 ) How do you aim the thing? It's built right into the ground! So from the outset you better not only put it where you want it, also point point it where you want it to shoot!

3 ) How do you hide it? Once it starts firing, it's kind of obvious. And while your pesky enemies might not have been foresighted enough to built a similar gun pointing right at yours, they probably have invested in more flexible munition-delivery systems that can be re-directed your way within a matter of days, if not hours.

The advantage of a cannon vs. missile or bomber is that each round costs you less to deliver. But you really have to have a scenario where the amount of payload you deliver makes sense vs. the cost of the weapon! This is what the Germans found out with their 60cm Karl mortar and their 80cm Dora RR gun. The costs of the systems were way out of line with their utility, given all the other systems for delivering munitions onto the enemy. And those systems were MANY TIMES more flexible than a built-in, buried-in-the-ground cannon.

It sure is a lot of time, expense, manpower and developmental mindshare to put into a system that delivers a cannon shell. I mean .. less than one areal bomb (much less a bomber's whole payload)? Less than 1 missile warhead? But many multiples of the cost? And a minute fraction of the operational flexibility? Sure, sounds like a winning idea to me!

-Mark
(aka: Mk 1)

Griefbringer26 Nov 2015 12:57 p.m. PST

Sure, sounds like a winning idea to me!

Well, we are talking about late WWII German high command with an unhealthy obsession in all sorts of Wunderwaffen.

On another note, the Brits actually had a 14 inch railroad gun that had enough range to bombard the German positions around Calais. How much actual damage it caused, I cannot say.

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