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Personal logo McLaddie Supporting Member of TMP16 Nov 2015 8:22 p.m. PST

What sources for maps and OOBs do folks reference on line for the Spanish Civil War, particularly for platoon-level games like Bolt Action and Chain of Command?

Personal logo Saber6 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian16 Nov 2015 9:02 p.m. PST

SWAG. Pick a force and a timeframe and run with it

Personal logo McLaddie Supporting Member of TMP17 Nov 2015 7:11 a.m. PST

SWAG works by default. grin I am just interested in any sources folks might have.

Primalucem Inactive Member17 Nov 2015 9:04 a.m. PST

What is SWAG?

I'm mostly relying on Wikipedia, photographs found online, and Google maps/street view at this point. Other options would be great.

Fatman17 Nov 2015 9:32 a.m. PST

If yo are looking for detailed OOB's for actual platoon sized actions I think you are on a hiding to nothing. These are hard to find for many conflicts and for the SCW rarer than rocking horse poop.

Detailed platoon TOE are available from the The Lardies for all forces in the conflict. They are written for CoC but even if you use other rules, and I do, they are an excellent resource.

Primalucem
Well WAG is Wild Ass Guess no idea what the S stands for, I'm in my fifties I don't really do acronyms. ;-P

Fatman

Shedman17 Nov 2015 10:38 a.m. PST

Have you had a look at Steve Balagan's excellent site

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Personal logo McLaddie Supporting Member of TMP17 Nov 2015 11:08 a.m. PST

Yes, I have seen Steve's site. It is great. However, I'm interested in area maps, so I know the area of conflict, terrain etc. Steve is WAGGing it to some extent too.

I don't mind that, it's just wondered if others have found some sources. Certainly the TFL site has some great SCW scenarios.

McLaddie

MikeO FKA Durruti Inactive Member17 Nov 2015 3:55 p.m. PST

In English I recommend "The Battle for Madrid" by George Hills for lots of maps and military data on the fighting surrounding that pivotal campaign.

link

However if you want to get down to the platoon level with historical accuracy as it sounds you do then you can't expect everything clear-cut and on a plate. Most of it isn't there and anything that is will be biased intentionally or not. You have to prepare to do some digging and research, including using good old "google-fu" and translation resources with Spanish sources and sites. This can be ENORMOUSLY satisfying in itself much better if you make some discovery rather than getting it "spoon-fed" by someone else :)

As an example I'm interested in some actions on the Aragon Front which started with sketchy accounts in the books of Orwell and "Abel Paz" (Diego Camacho). These led to more information in Chris Hall's "In Spain With Orwell". Also a website on the "Ruta Orwell" memorial set up by the Aragon local government:

link

Plus other sites with accounts in Spanish on the fight at Perdiguera thrown up by these books.

Good luck!

Personal logo McLaddie Supporting Member of TMP19 Nov 2015 8:02 a.m. PST

MikeO
Thanks for that. I also found some articles in the Military History Journal on the Spanish Civil War.

mashrewba Inactive Member01 Dec 2015 10:35 a.m. PST

Bleeped text is swag cidn cio omsg

I can do this acronym stuff -you just make it up
cidn -cos I don't know (n sic)
CIO cos I'm old
osmg -oh my so god.

It's incredibly easy to be thoroughly modern isn't it – lol (of course…)
sff (smiley Bleeped texting face)

tberry7403 Inactive Member25 Dec 2015 6:18 p.m. PST

SWAG – Scientific Wild Ass Guess

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