Help support TMP


"Pike use in King Philips War???" Topic


12 Posts

All members in good standing are free to post here. Opinions expressed here are solely those of the posters, and have not been cleared with nor are they endorsed by The Miniatures Page.

Please do not use bad language on the forums.

For more information, see the TMP FAQ.


Back to the Renaissance Discussion Message Board


Areas of Interest

Renaissance

Featured Hobby News Article


Featured Link


Featured Ruleset


Featured Profile Article

First Look: Minairons' 1:600 Xebec

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian looks at a fast-assembly naval kit for the Age of Sail.


Featured Book Review


1,618 hits since 11 Nov 2015
©1994-2024 Bill Armintrout
Comments or corrections?

Field Marshal11 Nov 2015 6:42 p.m. PST

Was there an attempt to use pike in KPW?
I find it hard to believe that all the colonial militia had matchlocks and I think some would have carried the pike. Am I right or wrong in that assumption?

FM

Winston Smith11 Nov 2015 8:02 p.m. PST

Yes. Some had "pikes".
How useful they were is debatable.

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP11 Nov 2015 8:05 p.m. PST

Pikes were generally considered to be useless in North America before the start of King Philip's War.

In 1675 the Massachusetts General Court ordered all pikemen to arm themselves with "fire armes"

In Connecticut by 1649 only flint locks were allowed for public arms. It appears they kept their old supply of pikes (or half pikes), and passed some type of resolution (in 1675?) permitting the use of pikes.

Virginia stopped using pikes very early on (probably by the early 1600s).

If you feel the urge, you can throw a pike or half pike out there.

Edit to add: You are right about every colonial militia man not having matchlocks, but that is because the matchlock was obsolete by the time of KPW; flint locks were the norm. No one who was issued a firearm would be carrying a matchlock, although a private citizen could still own one. In 1676 and 1677 Connecticut and MA passed laws prohibiting matchlocks from being taken into the field as weapons.

charared11 Nov 2015 8:06 p.m. PST

"Pike" KINDA' ill-fitted for use in frontier fighting…

Don't currently have access to my NA early English colonial materials (such as they are) but don't remember reading about much "drill" let alone USE of pikes in either New England, Virginia or Dutch New Amsterdam colonist v "native" conflicts.

Sorry for the 1/2 @ssed answer…

Charlie

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP11 Nov 2015 9:30 p.m. PST

Only reference I've come across is pikes being used as signifers for officers/sergeants-at-arms.: YouTube link

Pike drill among the Trained Bands was common much earlier than Philip's War. We have a great local r-enactment group that does their research well: salemtraynedband.org

Kropotkin30312 Nov 2015 12:23 a.m. PST

There is a scene ,if I recall correctly, in the film The Black Robe where European soldiers try to repel a native attack with forming pike with somewhat predictable results.

imdb.com/title/tt0101465

vtsaogames12 Nov 2015 7:46 a.m. PST

That was the New World. Black Robe had no European soldiers, just the French Canadian guy. Black Robe is a fabulous film.

"A Skulking Way of War" says the colonists were mostly armed with matchlocks while the Indians had flintlocks. One would think a law would not have to passed banning matchlocks if most people didn't have them. But that's only one source and a guess.

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP12 Nov 2015 9:17 a.m. PST

Or the law could have been passed to deal with the old timers who insisted on showing up with weapons not suitable for warfare in the New World. Regardless, while individuals owned matchlocks (to whatever degree), it is clear from the documents that I have read that the governing bodies did not approve of them and bought flint locks for the public stores.

vtsaogames12 Nov 2015 9:42 a.m. PST

old timers

You can have my arquebus when you pry it…

MajorB12 Nov 2015 10:38 a.m. PST

Only reference I've come across is pikes being used as signifers for officers/sergeants-at-arms.:

And that would be a spontoon or "half-pike" not a full length 17th century pike:

picture

Kropotkin30312 Nov 2015 2:20 p.m. PST

Edit-Thanks if it was The New World.

Rudysnelson13 Nov 2015 7:46 p.m. PST

Not sure aboutnortheastern tribes but my study of the southeastern tribes contain the inferencethatthey regarded pikes and long spears as women's and old men weapons. They were used in the defense of the town wall and palisades. They would be used to stab through the firing loop holes to keep the attackers from gaining control of the wall and ports.

The Chickasaw who fought the French in the late 1600s and 1700s also used dug out firing pits to make outside firing in more difficult.they also used winter hovels outside the gate as partially dug in bunkers offering cross fire. Very eff time as the French learned in the 1730s.
Other tribes Choctaw, Muskogee used more traditional palisade walls to be defended by pikes.

Sorry - only verified members can post on the forums.