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number419 Oct 2015 10:30 p.m. PST

Anybody have a link to the TO&E or Kstn?

IIRC it is four sections of one motorcycle and two with sidecars: 7 men. One or two machine guns though?

Martin Rapier20 Oct 2015 2:24 a.m. PST

Are you sure panzer battalions had m/cycle recce platoons? I thought even in 1941 they were always light tanks?

I certainly can't find a Kstn for one, although the battalion staff companies did have a small m/cycle liaison section.( two bikes, two men with rifles).

genew4920 Oct 2015 8:58 a.m. PST

Take a look, may help. PDF link

From here:
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and:
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Starfury Rider20 Oct 2015 9:44 a.m. PST

The earliest I can find info for is Nov 1941, but I suspect that the situation wasn't too different for June 1941 (assuming you're after Eastern Front detail).

The Panzer Bn HQ Coy included a Light Panzer Pl, with 5 Pz IIs, and a Motorcycle Scout Pl (Kraftraderkundungzug), which I understand was for route recce rather than a combat role. That had a HQ of 1 officer, NCO and 3 men (1 light car and 3 solo m/c) and four Scout Dets, each 1 NCO (m/c), 2 LMG Nos, 3 motorcyclists (1 solo and 2 m/c with sidecars). Total 1 officer, 28 men, 1 car, 7 solo m/c and 8 combinations, 4 LMGs and an MP40 for the officer and each Scout Det NCO, rifles for the rest save LMG No.1s with pistols.

Gary

number420 Oct 2015 12:34 p.m. PST

That's the one I was looking for Gary, thanks!

number421 Oct 2015 6:24 p.m. PST

And here it is (at least for the 11th Panzer Regiment):

PDF link

"Scout Platoon
HQ Section (3 motorcycles & 1 Kfz 1 car)
4 Sections (1 motorcycle, 2 motorcycles with
side cars & 1 LMG ea)

AA Platoon (4 cars with dual LMGs)"

Which leads to a follow up question: What type of car was the AA vehicle?

Starfury Rider22 Oct 2015 4:52 a.m. PST

NCO with solo m/c and four dets, each of NCO, gunner and driver, with a Kfz 4 car armed with twin LMGs.

Gary

number422 Oct 2015 4:40 p.m. PST

Ah, this one:

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Pretty cool looking vehicle! Glad I only need four of them as I've feeling they might be hard to find or only available in a fiendishly complicated kit from Ace…..

(Of course the minute I finishing bodging together those kits PSC will come out with a superb quick build version!)

Martin Rapier22 Oct 2015 10:09 p.m. PST

I am sure you could use a Kubelwagen or a Horch and no-one would complain. A couple of spare MGs from the PSC 251 set and you are sorted.

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP23 Oct 2015 7:57 a.m. PST

For those of us who don't know, what is that vehicle?

Starfury Rider23 Oct 2015 10:46 a.m. PST

It was the early war AA defence for Panzer units, and I think also Pz Arty units.

link

Gary

number423 Oct 2015 9:21 p.m. PST

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