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KniazSuvorov17 Oct 2015 7:03 a.m. PST

Here's my second crack at building 1/1200 Napoleonic. The model is Langton's British 38-gun heavy frigate (I think).

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I'm still tinkering with my technique for scratchbuilding the sails, so some things ended up a bit wonky. Generally I'm pretty pleased with how this one turned out, though.

Of course I finished rigging the studding sails before asking my other studding sail questions, so technically I've got half of them rigged wrong-- something to fix on my next attempt.

That brings me to my next studding sail question. Mark Barker posted an excellent answer in my other thread:

A most important consideration was that the studdingsails should not interfere with the corresponding principal sail, and 'backwind' it, as a modern yachtsman would say. Thus the weather topmast and topgallant studdingsails were set abaft the weather leech of the topmast and topgallant sail. If set forward, the wind spilling out of the topmast studdingsail would strike the forward part of the topsail causing the leech to shake and the sail to work less well aerodynamically. In turn, if the lee studdingsails were to do any good at all, the were set ahead of the leeches of the respective principal sails.

Now, if I'm interpreting this correctly, the situation would be as follows: if the wind is blowing from the ship's starboard quarter (as in my model), the port side studding sails should be mounted in front of the plain sail, while the starboard side studding sails would be behind the plain sail. Correct? Or do I have this backwards? I'm a modeler, not a sailor!

Secondly, can anyone tell me if there was a fixed order for booming out studding sails?

BrianW17 Oct 2015 7:36 a.m. PST

Yes, your interpretation sounds correct to what Mark Baker said. Also, let me say how beautiful she is! I have quite a few sailing ships, and have done none of them with the full sail set like that.
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EDIT: Harland's book is one sale at B&N.com for $38.86 USD

Mark Barker17 Oct 2015 12:53 p.m. PST

Very, very nice indeed. Even attempting it is going to give you such a moral advantage that very few are even going to question you.

From the chapter in Harland's book, exactly which stun'sails you put out would depend on the specific attitude to wind (in some cases it actually being more effective to hoist one of the fore and aft sails instead of a particular sail) and the practice of which sails were actually used seem to evolve over time.

It is a description (with plenty of sketches) that I can't really summarise here, and yes there really is a whole chapter on it !

If you do get Harland you will not be disappointed, firstly it will help you make sense of the Hornblower, Bolitho and Aubrey books (at least where O'Brian is not trying to be deliberately obtuse to show his learning) and you will understand exactly why "Magnificent" Hayes got his nickname and why he deserved it.

Definitely a book to dip into.

Best wishes,

Mark Barker
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platypus01au17 Oct 2015 1:30 p.m. PST

I'm painting the same boat at the moment.

It ain't going to look like that.

Sigh….

JohnG

williamtheconker17 Oct 2015 2:12 p.m. PST

Stunning work!

whitejamest17 Oct 2015 5:08 p.m. PST

Now that's a lot of sail! She's a beauty, and not going t be easy to catch!

devsdoc18 Oct 2015 6:36 a.m. PST

I'm in love. She looks great. She will add a lot to any table she sails on.
Be safe
Rory

Volunteer Fezian19 Oct 2015 8:43 a.m. PST

Just beautiful Mike! You captured it.

SgtPrylo26 Oct 2015 4:54 a.m. PST

Definitely a Langton, beautiful work!

devsdoc26 Oct 2015 3:11 p.m. PST

Very nice
Be safe
Rory

jaxenro04 Dec 2015 10:48 a.m. PST

How do you do those amazing paper sails?

KniazSuvorov08 Dec 2015 5:24 a.m. PST

Hi jaxenro,

I'll take pictures as I prepare my next batch of sails. A picture's worth a thousand words, and a bunch of pictures will save me a lot of explaining!

In a few days I'll be able to post a tutorial.

Volunteer Fezian08 Dec 2015 11:53 p.m. PST

Do you do them the same way I do?

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