"What Would Be The 'Cost' If Iraq Gives Permission To..." Topic
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Tango01  | 12 Oct 2015 10:23 p.m. PST |
… The Russian Military To Launch Bombing Raids Against ISIS Targets In Iraq?. "• Russia's current position in Syria as well as its naval assets in the Caspian Sea and long-range bombers in southern Russia would accommodate operations against the Islamic State in Iraq, but it could strike more effectively and more frequently using bases in Iraq itself. • Setting up bases in Iraq would cost Russia more money, time and effort and could antagonize the United States. • Through its operations in Syria, Russia is testing its capability to conduct air campaigns. It is a first for post-Soviet Russia and will shape Russia's future air campaigns. Analysis The start of Russian airstrikes in Syria has given new hope to loyalist forces in their battle against a host of rebel factions, including the Islamic State. Now comments out of Baghdad and Moscow suggest that Russia may expand these operations into Iraq if requested to do so by Baghdad. Indeed, from its position in Latakia, Russia has the range to strike Islamic State targets in Iraq, although further deployment of resources may be required to do so effectively…"
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| EJNashIII | 12 Oct 2015 11:21 p.m. PST |
Russia will be drawn into an endless and costly war just like we were. It will not take long before the jihadists see Russia as an invading infidel to get revenge on. The other long term cost is a even stronger Iran to annoy and scare the Sunni Arabian and gulf states. Since the Caspian attacks require Iranian permission for over flights, I would assume they are about to receive allot of new weapon technology. Another potential cost is Turkey and Russia getting into a shooting match that could draw us into a World War. |
| Mako11 | 12 Oct 2015 11:47 p.m. PST |
I thought their Iranian allies were going to help clean up the mess there. |
| ThePeninsularWarin15mm | 13 Oct 2015 4:52 a.m. PST |
And why forget the Chinese? They have a carrier in the Mediterranean and it would be nothing for them to station a squadron or two at one of those unused airbases in Iraq. The Russians and Chinese aren't going to be spending huge sums of money like NATO members do with elaborate set ups and importing every little thing. |
| MaahisKuningas90 | 13 Oct 2015 5:28 a.m. PST |
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| Airborne Engineer | 13 Oct 2015 6:52 a.m. PST |
It is also possible that bases in Iran would give them easy access to targets in northern Iraq. Of course, I am sure they would not pass up the opportunity to establish bases in Iraq. The Russians have decided they have major economic and geopolitical goals to accomplish in the Middle East. The vacuum of power cause by US efforts to withdraw, ally with jihadists in Libya and Syria to make them hate us less and then trying to lead from behind has created conditions more favorable to the Russians than anything since the 1960s. So the cost of this operation is well worth it to them. They are attempting to build an Iron Curtain across the Middle East, from Syria (and Lebanon under Hezbollah) across Iraq to Iran and probably further. As NATO retreats from Afghanistan, expect the non-Taliban factions to go to the Russians for support against Pakistan and their proxies. Followed by efforts to woo, India into their anti-Sunni extremist alliance. Controlling that line gives Russia major control over the world economy. It prevents a proposed natural gas pipeline from the Middle East to Europe keeping Europe dependent upon Russian Gazprom to avoid freezing. So controlling Syria forces Europe to allow Russia to continue gobbling up neighboring regions in Ukraine and other places. The Russians are also hoping to force Poland and other states to leave NATO because they believe NATO would not defend them. Alliance with the Iranians also provide the Russians the ability to close the Persian Gulf oil flow disrupting the rest of the world oil supply. All the while the Russians will be telling everyone that they have saved the West from ISIS, because the West was too weak to win the War on Terror. While it is true the West is not too weak to win that war, the West has shown 14 years of being unwilling to win the war. We will soon see if the War can be won using hard power, when the West was unwilling to do so. I suspect the Russians may pull it off for several reasons.
1. The Russians will apply enough fire power to make a difference, unlike the West trying to use proportional force.
2. The Russians don't abandon their allies. The US problem in the Middle East is that so few powers will go in as our allies because they know by the next election cycle the US will throw them to the wolves.
3. Because of #2, the Russians have allies with sufficient ground power to complement their air power. And the arrival of competent allies at a critical time has convinced them they can win.
4. The Russians learned from Chechnya that they can crush a jihadist movement, as long as they are willing to do maximum damage and consider the collateral damage a benefit not a detriment.
5. With the break up of sanctions against Iran, Russia will arm them and the Russian presence will deter any attacks against Iran and Syria's nuclear program allowing both states to become nuclear powers. Pakistan has already sold nuclear missiles to Saudi Arabia with delivery guaranteed upon Iranian deployment of nukes. Unfortunately, I doubt a Middle Eastern nuclear armed Cold War will stay cold forever. |
 Legion 4 | 13 Oct 2015 10:16 a.m. PST |
Let the Russians deal with the Syrians, Iraqis, Kurds, Persians, Daesh, AQ, etc. … They can't do any worse then the US/West did. |
| Tango01 | 13 Oct 2015 10:48 a.m. PST |
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