"Generals of 1848-51" Topic

I`m attempting to add general`s ratings to my C19th rules variants – right now, in particular I`m looking to the following wars:
The Hungarian Uprising 1848-49, The 1st Italian War of Independence 1848-49 & The 1st Schleswig-Holstein War 1848–51.
So, do any generals in these conflicts stand out for you as much better, or worse that the rest?
I`ll be trying to get down to brigade-level if I can, but any help with divisional commanders` abilities would be appreciated !

Weren't the Hungarian generals hanged by the Austrians after the Uprising -bastards…
Irrelevant to the question of course.

Weren't the Hungarian generals hanged by the Austrians after the Uprising -bastards…
Irrelevant to the question of course.

Many were. In fact, Austrian officers toasted each other with beer when each Hungarian was hung or shot. Even today, any number of Hungarians refuse to drink beer for that reason.

The Hungarian Uprising 1848-49, The 1st Italian War of Independence 1848-49

Stand-outs on the Austrian Side:

FML Count Franz Schlick: One eyed, he was a very good corps commander
FML Radesky of course.
FML Wrbna was also a good Corps commander.
FM Hynau: He was competent but ruthless. Infamous as a stand-out.

Few terrible officers, mostly competent, but few stand-outs. Fedlmarschcall-Lieutenant Jellacic was Okay, but rather uneven in his performance. FM Windisch-Grätz nearly won the war and then was badly beaten by Hungarians and replaced.

Hungarian stand outs:
Major-General Artúr Görei
Major-General Georg Klapka
Major-General Johann Damjenich
Major-General Bem

Really bad generals:
Corps Major-General Gáspár
General Dembowiski The Polish General who seemed only capable of losing battles stupidly, yet placed in command more than once… because Görei was too good and seen as a political threat.

Thanks Bill,
I had hoped to get some ratings worked out for brigade-level generals too – this is probably easier for the smaller Hungarian army, but I think I will have to do what I`ve done previously and if the information is not there to be had, simply rate generals of brigade the same as their divisional generals.
For the purposes of individual initiatives and in Grand Manoeuvre game terms that would be modified slightly as the opportunity and tendency to make individual decisions diminishes the further down the chain of command one goes.

Sure:

Here is the OOB for the main Austrian and Hungarian Armies about mid-way through the war. I have rated generals Excellent, Good, Fair, and Poor. So there are your brigade-level officers too. Unless noted, the brigade officers are 'fair' quality. I noted excellent brigade officers as 'elite' just to confuse the issue.
At this point, all 'grades' are just my opinion.

Austrian Main Army, April 1849
Fürst Windischgrätz commanding (Fair)

I ARMEE KORPS Fedlmarschcall-Lieutenant Jellacic (Fair)
1st Division FML Hartlich (Fair)
Brigade Gramment
5th Feldjäger btn., 3rd btn/1st Liccaner Grenz
2nd btn/8th Gradiscaner Grenz, Battery #6--six
6lb guns
Brigade Rastich (good)
1st,2nd btns/2nd Ottochaner Grenz, 3rd btn/3th Oguliner-Szluiner Grenz, 3rd btn/1st Banal Grenz
Battery #1--six 6lb guns

2nd Division FML Schulzig (fair)
Brigade Kleinberger
3rd btn/2nd Banal Grenz, 3rd btn/7th Broder
Grenz
3rd btn, 3rd Erzherzog Carl Regt.
Battery #5--six 6lb guns
Brigade Dietrich (good)
4th btn/2nd Banal Grenz, 4th btn/5th Warasdiner
Grenz
Echert composite Battalion, 2nd btn/ 4th
Szluiner Grenz
Slavonain Battery #1--six 6lb guns

Cavalry Division FML Ottinger (Fair)
Brigade Sedelmayer
6th Wallmoden Cuirassiers (6 sqns)
7th Hardegg Curiassiers (6 sqns)
Cav. Battery #10--six 6# guns
Brigade Sternbert
3rd Kaiser Franz Joseph Dragoons (6 sqns)
3rd Erzherzog Johann Cuirassiers (6 sqns)
Banderial Hussars (6 sqns) (Croat)
Cav. Battery #5--six 6# guns
Corps Artillery
Twelve 12lb guns, batteries #1 & 2
six 6lb guns, battery #2
Twelve 6lb guns, Cav. batteries #9 and Slavonian
#2 six Rockets, Battery #16

Strength: 11,500 infantry, 5,500 cavalry, 1,560 artillerists, 68 guns Total: 18,060 men and 68 guns

II Armee Korps FML Wrbna (good)
1st Division FML Csorich (fair)
Brigade Wyss (poor)
four cos 2nd Feldjäger btn., 3rd btn/56th
Fürstenwärter Regt.,
1st btn/29th Schönhals Regt.
1st Landwehr btn./59th Baden Regt.
battery #2--six 6lb guns
Brigade Colloredo (good)
four cos 6th Feldjäger btn., 1st & 2nd btns/57th
Erzherzog Stephan Regt., four cos 1st
Landwehr/21st Paumgartten Regt.
Battery #8--six 6lb guns

2nd Division FML Fürst Schwarzenberg (fair)
Brigade Schütte (Elite)
Fisher Gren., Richter Gren., Vitermann Gren. Btns
Battery #12--six 6lb guns
Brigade Leibler (Elite)
Schneider Gren., Martinin Gren., Rattay Gren.
Btns.
3rd btn./17th Hohnlohe Regt.
Battery #13--six 6lb guns
Brigade Bellegarde (good)
5th Auersberg Cuirassiers (6 sqns)
1st Erzherzog Johann Dragoons (4 sqns)
1st Civallart Uhlan Regt. (5 sqns)
Cav. Battery #4--six 6lb guns
Corps Artillery Reserve:
Twelve 6lb guns, batteries #10 & 11
Twelve 12lb guns, batteries #3 & 4
Three 6lb guns, 1/2 cav battery #6
Six rockets, battery #15

Strength: 10,075 infantry, 2,250 cavalry, 1,260 artillerists and 63 guns. Total: 13,585 men and 63 guns.

III Armee Korps FML Count Franz Schlick (good)
1st Division FML Lobkowitz (fair)
Brigade Kriegern
two cos 2nd Feldjäger btn.,3rd btn/6th
Warasdiner
St. Geroger Grenz, 1st btn./12th Wilhem Regt.
1st Landwehr btn./24th Parma Regt.,
3rd btn./30th Nugent Regt.
Battery #36--six 6lb guns
Brigade Pergen (good)
3rd btn./5th Warasdiner Kreuzer Grenz,
1st btn./12th Wilhelm Regt.,
3rd btn./40th Kudelka Regt.,
2nd btn./28th Latour Regt.
Battery #34--six 6lb guns

2nd Division FML Leichtenstein (fair)
Brigade Fiedler (Poor)
3rd btn./57th Erzherzog Stephen Regt.,
1st btn./2nd Ottochaner Grenz,
2nd btn./9th Hartmann Regt.,
3rd btn./10th Mazzuchelli Regt.
Battery #3--six 6lb guns
Brigade Parrot
8th Prinz Karl von Preussen Cuirassiers (6 sqns)
2nd Sunstenau Cuirassiers (2 sqns)
1st Kaiser Franz Joseph Chevauxlegers (4 sqns)
7th Alexander, KronPrinz, von Russland
Chevauxlegers (3 sqns)
(Foot)Battery #3--six 6lb guns
Corps Artillery Reserve
Schlick Battery--six 6lb guns
twelve 12lb guns, batteries #5 & 11
six rockets, Galician battery

Strength: 9,000 infantry, 2,250 cavalry, 960 artillerists and 48 guns Total: 12,210 and 48 guns

Army Reserve
thirty-six 12lb guns, batteries #6-8
twenty-four 6lb guns,
cav. batteries #1, 7,8, & 11
eighteen rockets, batteries #132, 17, & 23
six 6lb guns, battery #4

Army Total: 43,855 and 263 guns


The Honvéd Upper Danubian Army, April 1849.

Major-General Artúr Görei Commanding (excellent)

I CORPS Major-General Georg Klapka (Good)
1st Division Colonel Desewssy (fair)
Bobich Brigade (poor)
28th Honvéd , 46th Honvéd , 47th Honvéd
battalions
One squadron of 14th Lehel Hussars, eight 6#
guns
Dipild Brigade
6th Honvéd, 26th Honvéd, 52nd Honvéd battalions
one squadron of 14th Lehel Hussars, eight 6#
guns

2nd Division Colonel Kazinczy (Good)
Záko Brigade (Good)
19th Honvéd , 34th Honvéd Battalions
half squadron of 13th Hunyady Hussars, four 12#
guns
Schulz Brigade
17th Honvéd, 3rd Btn/39th Dom Miguel Regiment
half squadron of 13th Hunyady Hussars, four 12#
guns

Méstzterházy Cavalry Brigade (Good)
1st Emperor Ferdinand Hussars (8 sqns)
8th Prince Coburg Hussars (4 sqns), eight 6#
guns

Artillery Reserve: Eight 6# guns

Strength: 9,200 infantry, 1,600 cavalry 800 artillerists and forty guns. Total: 11,600 men and 40 guns.

II CORPS Major-General Lajos Aulich (good)
1st Division Colonel Rakowski (fair)
Buttler Brigade
25th Honvéd(Landwehr),43rd Honvéd, 54th Honvéd
Btns
One Squadron 6th Wurttenberg Hussars, eight 6#
guns
Mihaly Brigade
56th Honvéd, 1st Btn/39th Dom Miguel Regiment
One Squadron 17th Bocskay Hussars, eight 3# guns

2nd Division Colonel Horvath (Good)
Mandy Brigade (Good)
49th Honvéd, 61st Honvéd, 63rd Honvéd Battalions
One Squadron 17th Bocskay Hussars, eight 6# guns
Cavalry Brigade
6th Württemberg Hussars (6 sqns)
14th Lehel Hussars (3 sqns)

Artillery Reserve: eight 6# guns

Strength: 6,800 Infantry, 1,800 Cavalry, 640 Artillerists and 32 guns Total: 9,040 men and 32 guns

III CORPS Major-General Johann Damjenich (Excellent)
1st Division Colonel Wysocki (Excellent)
Leiningen Brigade (Elite)
3rd Honvéd, 42nd Honvéd, 3rd btn/54th Pr.of Hesse
Regt. One Sqn 3rd d'Este Hussars, eight 6# guns
Kiß Brigade (Elite)
9th Honvéd, Polish Legion btn, 3rd btn/60th Vasa
Regt. One Sqn 3rd d'Este Hussars, eight 6# guns
2nd Division Colonel NágySandor (Good)
Knezich Brigade
60th Honvéd, 2nd btn/34th Pr. of Prussia Regt.
Eight 6# guns
Kázonyi Birgade (good)
2nd King of Hanover Hussars (8 sqns)
3rd d'Este Hussars (4 sqns), Polish Lancers (one
sqn)
eight 6# horse guns

Artillery Reserve: Eight #6 guns

Strength: 9,200 infantry, 2,000 cavalry, 800 gunners and 40 guns
Total: 12,000 men and 40 guns

VII Corps Major-General Gáspár (poor)
1st Division Colonel Kossuth (fair)
Horváth Brigade (Good)
15th Honvéd, 39th Honvéd btns,
six sqns 9th Emperor Nicholas Hussars, five 6#
guns
Waldberg Brigade
1st Btn, 60th Vasa Regt.
two sqns 13th Hunyady Hussars, eight 6# guns
Petheö Brigade (Elite)
1st btn/ 2nd Emperor Alexander Regt., Nógráder
Btn, two co,s pioneers, two co.s Ujházy Rifles,
five 6# guns

2nd Division Colonel Kmety (good)
Gergely Brigade
10th Honvéd, 25th Honvéd, one co. of pioneers
two sqns 10th Friedrick Wilhelm Hussars, seven
6# guns
Ujváry Brigade (Good)
45th Honvéd, two co.s Ujházy Rifles
four sqns 10th King of Prussia Hussars, six 6#
guns
Uechtritz Brigade (Elite)
33rd Honvéd, 51st Honvéd btns, two sqns 12th
Palatinal Hussars, six 6# horse guns

3rd Division Colonel Pöltenerg (good)
Kossuth Brigade (Elite)
1st Honvéd, 50th Honvéd btns,
two sqns 4th Grand Prince Alexander Hussars,
seven 6# horse guns
Zambély Brigade (Good)
14th Honvéd, 66th Honvéd btns,
four sqns 4th Grand Prince Alexander Hussars,
seven 6# horse guns
Weissel Brigade (Elite)
four co.s Grenadiers, 3rd btn/48th Ernö Regt.,
four co.s Tyrolean Rangers, two sqn 9th Emperor
Nicholas Hussars, six howitzers, two rockets.

Artillery Reserve: Seven howitzer horse guns

Stength: 12,400 infantry, 3,150 cavalry, 1,360 gunners and 68 guns Total= 16,910 men and 68 guns
ARMY TOTAL= 49,550 and 180 guns

RUSSIAN ARMY, 9th Division

9th Division Lt. General Pantin (fair)
1st Brigade Major-General Semjakin
Jeltz Infantry Regt
Sevrsk Infantry Regt.
2nd Brigade Major-General Kobjakow
Bransk Jager Regiment
Prince of Warsaw Jager Regiment
9th Field Artillery Brigade
Position battery #4, 12 12lb guns
Light batteries #6-8, 36 6lb guns

Strength: 9,790 infantry (16 btns) and 852 artillerists and 48 guns. Total: 10,642 and 48 guns.

Thanks Bill,

Did you do this for a game/campaign ?

I also found that some of George Nazfiger`s OOB`s had
generals rated too!

Mike.

Having added some to my lists that`s filled quite a number of gaps and confirmed some of my own estimations. I`ll be modifying my own ratings in a comparison to yours of course Bill.

At the moment, I`m working through an order of battle for Novara checking Austrian generals to see if there`s anyone remarkable there.

Making some progress now with the Hungarians, but I think I may have to base most (Austrian) brigade generals ratings on their divisional generals` ones after all – it`s very hard to find information regarding them.
I`ll be trying to find some info on the Russian commanders in the Hungarian Uprising later today…

Mike:
Yes, most of the Nazfiger's OOBs for the Hungarian war are mine. I traded them for other OOBs.

I have a couple of Russian accounts of their Hungarian campaign, but as far as I can tell, in most cases beyond Pantin, Bem and othe Hungarian officers consistantly outgeneraled the Russians. The Russians had a lot of respect for the Hungarians by the end of the war.

Did you do this for a game/campaign ?

I am building the armies at the moment. I have put together a 54mm set of units for BC and V&B.

Bill

Ahhh… mystery solved Bill!

Did I see your Hungarian figures on a thread here a while back?…

Re. Russian and Austrian less-known brigade-generals, I`ll have a die roll for their abilities similar Grand Manoeuvre`s dicing for different Napoleonic nations` generals.

Mike.

Yes, 54mm Hussars. I have been experimenting with conversions that would be necessary here and there for 15mm armies while creating some troops to play using BC, V&B and GA. [Far cheaper…]

Cavalry:

Artillery

Commanders:

Infantry:

Hurrah & Hussar !

Those look great!

Thanks. It is a spectacular war. Large and small battles. The Hungarian uniforms are beautiful. Their army has nothing but Hussars and Lancers in their cavalry, cannon's painted red, white and green. [Even some of the Austrian artillery painted their carriages with black, red and yellow stripes]. Their infantry all piped and corded like hussars…

Now to create a set of 15mm or 28mm armies….

I shall be building both Honved and Austrian armies in 28mm

Miniatures are being sculpted as we speak.

Fedlmarschcall Jellacic with an Adc plus numerous foot miniatures as part of a vignette will be looked at next year.

Cheers,

GH