"Aotrs Shipyards October Release: BMP-1 and BRM-1K (10/12mm)" Topic

This month's release is a little bit early (since I'll be away next week). This time, we have, by popular demand, the BMP-1 and BRM-1K at 144th (10/12mm)!

BMP-1

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BRM-1K

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Photos of the Replicator 2 prototypes.

BRM-1K with mast-up turret.

Render showing mast-up turret in place, front and back views.

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As I noted a while back, the construction and size of the mast antenna precludes it from being modelled at 144th as a removeable article like the Fennek's. While it is maybe just barely in the margin of being big enough to be able to physically put a hole in the right spot for a seperate mast piece to go, the inability to model the hatch made it look wrong in any case.

Therefore, the alternative compromise has been to provide a second model version (as not everyone will necessarily want or need the mast-up turret) with two turrets, one for mast antenna raised and one for lowered.

Next month's release is currently slated to be the T-72 A/M1 and the accompanying version with ERA!

Wow, those look fantastic!

V/R,
Jack

Nice, not sure where the designation BRM-1K comes from, there were just 2 variants the BRM (Which carried a Small Mike radar in the rear of the vehicle which then had to be either ground mounted or fixed to the top of the turret)and the BRM-1 which had the Small Mike radar in the turret as yours.In addition it should have an antenna folded across the top of the rear doors. And the de-ditching beam carried on the LHS. See my imagery in the MRR topic. I have some nice piccies I can send you.

Will you also produce a BMP-1P?

Keep up the good work,

Tally Ho!

Yeah! I'll be out of town myself for a few days, but will place an order when I get back.

@nickinsomerset
Both wiki and – rather more reliably – the Jane's 1996 tank guide say the BRM-1K is the command recon variant and list the BRM-1 (aka BMP-R and/or BMP M1976/1, according to wiki) seperately as having two versions with the mast in different places. (I don't recall seeing a reference to a "BRM" with no numerical designation in wither wiki of Jane's.)

The linked image is identified as a BRM-1K (aka BMP M1976/2 according to wiki)

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as is this page, which is basically the technical drawing and photoes I was principally working to.

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However, there appears to be a fair bit of confusion between the BRM-1, BMP-1K and BRM-1K in photos and technically specifications; I am fairly sure at this point I'm right with BRM-1K, but despite even the thread on the subject here, I've still no clear idea of what the (visible phsyical) differences between the BMP-1K and the BRM-1 are.

Part of the confusion appears to be that the BRM-1K is *labelled* as a command vehicle… but is really a recon vehicle. The command labelling, is, as I understand it, basically something to get it past procurement, becauser for some reason, if they called it that, it didn't have to do other jobs which would have made it suffer from Bradley symdrome. (I'll talk to my mate again tomorrow, and perhaps get a more coherent idea.)

BMP-1P may well come eventually, but it will be a while; I want to probably tackle things like a BMD and possibly even the T-62 first (and before those, a couple more Boxer moduels are on the list).

In the 80s we reported either the BRM-1 or the BRM. An initial designation of BRM was BMP M1976. Much of the other information comes out at the end of the Cold War.

Never any confusion with BMP-1K and the others, basically the BMP-1K is a BMP-1, so a single man turret, no ATGM, extra antenna, an different configuration of periscopes and firing ports, BMP-1K

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Tally Ho!

Phooaarrr! Nice pictures Nick mate!

@nickinsomerset

Thank you for the pictures, especially the first two, since top-down images are almost impossible to find and worth bearing in mind if I decide to do those variants at some point.

As to the question of the designations, then, I think you've probably answered your own question; they've apparently changed the designations since the 1980s – presumably to disinguish and standardise the nonemclature with the BRM-3K. (Apparently this appears to have happened prior to 1996, where the Jane's guide I looked at had them listed the current way.)

I'm using the designations that all of the current sources I've found appear to be using (including Jane's), since that is what most people appear to be familiar with. (Even if that may not be strictly correct to the designations used at the time of the cold war itself.)

No problems, let me know if there are other projects that you may need stuff for,

might cost you a beer though!!

Tally Ho!

Hi Nick,

Could this be one of those areas where NATO didn't have the nomenclature quite right (but nowhere near as badly wrong as the FUG/OT bugga's muddle)?

Perhaps what we called a 'BRM' should have been called a BRM-1 and what we called a 'BRM-1' should have been called a BRM-1K?

Not really, move to streamline things from dates first seen etc such as the 2S1 which was first seen in 1974 and initially given the designation M1974. So the M1976 became BRM and then when upgrades were observed they were designated BRM-1.

Tally Ho!

Those look really great!

Anyone have pics of them, painted up?

Any chance of platoon, or company packs of the BMP-1s being made available, at a discount, e.g. 3 – 4 BMPs, and/or 10 – 12 of them as sets?

Any tips for prepping them for priming and painting?

Finally, any chance of you producing the M114A1E2 US Armored Cavalry Scout vehicle, and a Marder 1 IFV (with Milan) for us also?

Almost forgot – any chance for a Soviet/Russian BMD-1 and BMD-2, also?

I can use a bunch of all of the above.

@Mako11

On the company packs, I'm afraid not. Shapeways doesn't work like that. Anything you would gain from putting them as a set (which would be the parts cost) would be lost by the extra volume cost. I did that originally, when Shapeways charged just by material volume, but they changed their pricing structure a while back so they now charge you by volume AND parts count AND bounding box volume.

They are a pain in that regard, with sudden policy shifts which always make things more difficult for us the designers and sellers – this morning I came down to find they have decided that all of a sudden, they won't except 1mm sprues (which I have been sprueing EVERYTHING with since they started charging for extra parts) about two years ago and I now have to use 2mm sprues. (Which of course means it increases the material cost for the sprue by four times – a small cost per mm³, granted, but it will add up…)

(Note that you fine folks have been buying stuff from the Shipyards since July and we haven't had a single bounce or complaint that they couldn't print things with sprues…)

BMD-1 is on the list of things to be done in the queue (possibly after the T-72B), but I've got at least one and possibly three commissions (which take priority, since they pay more!), so Marder and M114A (while on my list of things people have suggested) will be a fair bit down unless I get a comission to do them.

And, of course, the FIRST priority today (and I wasn't even going to DO any CAD work today) is going to have to be to fix the frag-damned sprues on anything that's not already been printed. (As at least on anything they have printed, I have reason to kick up merry hell.)

@Mako11 (Had to shut the machine off, because of course on the day I need to do stuff its the day when tehy're doing the electrics in the conservatory…)

My oppo should be painting up the more recent releases, so hopefully we should habe some pictures by the weekend.

For priming and painting, I find I do exactly the same as with other metal or plastic. (Except I don't have to wash them like I do with metal.) You do need to prime/undercoat them; unlike (some) metal and plastic, bar WSF absorbs the paint a bit. I just spray them with an acrylic primer (I use Hycote Matt black car primer myself) and then just paint with normal acrylic paint. (I use Vallejo nowadays).

Thanks for all the info.

Sad to hear about the sprues, but I guess they need to squeeze out more profit, somehow.

Good news about the BMD-1. Looking forward to that.

Also glad to see the Marder 1 and M114 may eventually be available too.

Thanks for the tips on prepping and painting.

Not that I can afford it, but just exactly what does a "commission" cost, and what benefits are provided to those funding them?

Might be useful info, if I ever hit the lotto, and/or to other people with decent paying jobs.

Mako 11,
I have just been paintaing the Leopard 2 with the Bar armour from Shipyards. The very small detail on the bar armour does need a clean out with a brush or a pin as they have not got all the powder off. Other wise I do what Aotrs suggests.

@Mako11

For moderns releases, my commission fee is typically £50.00 GBP for an entirely new vehicle with shared rights with the Shipyards. (Possibly higher for particularly large, complex and/or difficult models.)

What that entails is that the model gets moved to the top of the queue and you get a copy of the .stl file to print for your own use. You can then upload that to Shapeways on your own account as a private model, thus saving you the extra cost of the Shipyard's markup, so you can buy it at cost. (Alternatively, you can print yourself at a print house of your own choice or home printer etc.) The model will also go up in the Shipyards for general public sale after a delay (I try and give people enough time to get it printed themselves first).

The price is for "get to print," and includes an after-sales services (i.e. fixes or minor tweaks for printability required. If, for exmaple, you comissioned a moderns vehicle for Shapeways, but later got your own Replicator 2, the minor modifications for optimising for Rep 2 printed would be part of the service.)

If a model is a varient of an existing vehicle, depending on the complexity, I may be able to offer a discount on the commission price. (As variants can – though not always! – require less time.) E.g. BMP-2 from BMP-1 would be the sort of thing I might have discounted, whereas IMR-2 or BMP-T from T-72 would not have been (because the IMR-2 in particular was such a horrendously complex model that took about twice as long as any other model previously!) That sort of thing I deal with on a case-by-case basis.

For a full quote, PM me on Shapeways.

For a model with exclusive printing rights (i.e. for a casting master etc), my commission is typically £100.00 GBP (or more), depending on model size and complexity, though obviously this covers a much wider potential range and so can vary more.

Oh, and in case anyone didn't see it on the T-72 release thread, here's the BMP-1 and BRM-1K in WSF material.

Thanks for all the info.

I really appreciate it.

The sculpts look really great by the way, so can't wait to see them in person.