"Inspiration for Dutch mercenaries" Topic
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Gunfreak | 06 Oct 2015 7:20 a.m. PST |
So I'm playing with the idea of making a mercenary force, that can be used for any and all sides for my fudeal forces. I'm thinknig the force is a couple of mounted sergants, and some foot. But I need some theme for this "division" I'm thinking the merc force will be dutch, I know they were used in England and probebly other places. Any dutch heraldry that could work? |
GurKhan | 06 Oct 2015 7:50 a.m. PST |
You're probably looking at Flanders or Brabant rather than anything that would be considered "Dutch". For heraldry, have a look at earlyblazon.com or link |
Druzhina | 06 Oct 2015 8:07 p.m. PST |
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Gunfreak | 07 Oct 2015 7:24 a.m. PST |
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GurKhan | 07 Oct 2015 9:02 a.m. PST |
So yes, you're mainly looking at men from Flanders and Brabant – link – "Gerard de Sotteghem, one of John's Flemish mercenary captains, and Walter le Buck, a Brabantine mercenary captain…" "Sotteghem" seems to be a variant spelling of "Zottegem", and _if_ the captain's arms are the same as those of the town of the same name, that would be a nice simple coat for the period, azure a lion or – zottegem.be |
Gunfreak | 07 Oct 2015 9:33 a.m. PST |
Thanks, should i go into questinal history? And give all his knights and serjeant azure surcoates? |
uglyfatbloke | 07 Oct 2015 9:48 a.m. PST |
If the situation was 'as per' England or Scotland, the knights (and others so entitled) would bear their own devices as a matter of personal status; surcoats might be a different matter. |
GurKhan | 07 Oct 2015 10:54 a.m. PST |
To quote Ian Heath: "After heraldry came in sergeants as well as household knights sometimes carried their lord's device on their shield, lance-pennon and surcoat (see, for example, illustrations in Pietro da Eboli's late-12th century 'Carmen de Rebus Siculis', where groups of horsemen all have the same device on shields and helmets; see also page 133). The surcoats themselves may even have been of a uniform colour within retinue, the instance of an English outlaw in 1218 buying 100 marks' worth of cloth for his band 'as if he had been a baron or an earl' often being quoted as early evidence for this practice." So you could certainly justify giving everyone blue surcoats, made from the same batch of cloth. |
Gunfreak | 07 Oct 2015 12:01 p.m. PST |
Thank you azure (or any light blue i can get to look azure it is) |
GurKhan | 07 Oct 2015 1:41 p.m. PST |
Not too light – heraldically, "azure" is any blue. The town website uses a lightish blue, but that needn't have ben the case in the 13th cent. |
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