"Dutch and Polishish Guard Lancers" Topic

G'Day Gents

I would like to make both the Dutch and Polish Guard Lancers using Perry 28mm figures.

Would the Perry figure work for both regiments

Best Regards
Art

Yes. The basic uniform style was the same. A differing paint job is all you need.

Yes, I've done it the soft plastic Esci Polish lancers.

You could co, just paint them in the abropriate colours, you could also do some Young Guard for Lanciers Rouges in blue kurtka

Interesting question. The difference in the troopers' uniforms, eg top of lapels, is minimal and would not show at 28mm scale. The Poles should have a single aigulette cord outside the left arm, the Dutch tucked them all under the arm, for example. A pair of red piped pockets on the front of the Dutch overalls is a nice authentic touch (see below)

You may have noticed, though, that Perrys have done the work for you and labelled FN121-4 as just Dutch lancers, whilst 125-128 they see as suitable for both Dutch and Polish. The difference? The horses, not the riders! The black sheepskin saddle cloth was for 2nd Dutch only. I got more than I needed and swapped figures around. The spares were cannibalised to make them in capes on overcoated Russian Dragoons.

Obviously Colbert in a sling is only suitable for ….you can guess the rest…..

None of them have any modelling of the monogram N or saddlecloth decoration, such as eagles, so just remember no N for the Dutch! Do post them when done………..my efforts from some time ago!

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with an example;

G'Day Gents

I would like to thank everyone for their response. I suppose I should now get these two regiments using Perry figures.

One last question, what was the largest effective for each of these regiments at any one time.

I use a 1:60 scale.

Once again many thanks
Art

Art:

880 in 1815 according to the Cent-Jours site which has excellent plates for painting ref:

centjours.mont-saint-jean.com/detail_uniteFR.php?rubrique=U&unite=126

Great looking figures Deadhead!

G'Day DeRuyter,

I am more interested in the pinnacle of their effective, so that I may use them in any year.

It is much easier to take figures away in a certain year…such as a decrease in effective in 1815. -or this that their normal effective for all years?

Best Regards
Art

According to figures in Otto von Pivka/Digby Smith's 'Armies of 1812' on July 1st, at the start of the Russian campaign, the 4 squadrons of the 1st (Polish) Chevaulegers numbered 69 officers and 887 men and the 4 squadrons of the 2nd (Dutch) Chevaulegers numbered 57 officers and 1,095 men.

I'm not certain but I would imagine that this was the highest number that each regiment put in the field at any one time.

Thanks DeRuyter. The Perry figures are so good and let's face it, the Guard Lancers were a well turned out lot….you cannot go wrong.

Cent-Jours is an amazing resource. Notice they even have the top edge of the lapels different for Poles and Red lancers. OK, It does have the pockets on the overalls for both, which I was convinced that was Reds only (mind you, by 1815…who knows?) but at any scale, who will argue that……….?

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Paul :)

Well known images but I have never seen them at this resolution…………great! Hopefully long out of copyright, as all four are now on my PC………

Many thanks for finding them

The Rousselot plates are probably the finest sources available for French Napoleonics.

I have all of them. The four pages of text accompanying the plates are of great value as well.

Tom

Lower resolution images (no text) have long been available from;

fotki.lv/Remi/627119

again, still not sure about copyright rules, but does not seem to raise any ire…….and may be totally allowed for all I know

deadhead

Well known images but I have never seen them at this resolution…………great! Hopefully long out of copyright, as all four are now on my PC………

Many thanks for finding them

If you go back a few pages on that site, you will find them all in the same resolution, with text too. Some were originally posted without the text but then reposted with the text later on.

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That Fotki remi site isn't bad but the plates haven't been reproduced very well.

Paul :)

In July 1813 Polish lancers, 14 companies, 6 Old Guard, 6 Middle Guard, 2 Young Guard

In december 1813 reduced to 4 suqadrons but a regiment of scout lancers was added (elaireur lanciers)

in 1813 – "Red Lancer" – 10 squadrons, 4 Middle Guard and 6 Young Guard

sources : Rousselot plates

G'Day Liam

I have bought the Perry Guard Lancer figures for the Dutch lancers with Colbert.

But do you know of a company that sells a command figure that is compatible for Perry figures made into Polish Guard Lancers?

Best Regards
Art

Did the trumpeters were a colpack or czapska?

G'Day Marc

The Perry command come with trumpeters in czapska…but it only has Colbert as a leader…

I guess I could buy a Perry command set and not use Colbert

Best Regards
Art

G'Day Gents

I see that Front Ranks have a Polish Commander…Standard Bearer…and Polish Trumpeter

Do you think these three figures will work with my Perry Polish Guard Lancers?

Best Regards
Art

Apologies at slow response. Just got back from the Adriatic!
Perrys do FN125 a command set that has an officer of Guard lancers, who is not Colbert. He is a one piece casting with his horse, but can be Dutch or Polish. I used him for the latter (see below). Hope that helps.

Marc asked a good question. Colpack or the Czapska? A conversion I did years ago with a Hinchliffe figure was the Dutch trumpet major, so often portrayed, with a white Colpack. Parade only, but looks great!

Parade only! What can you mean – all my troops are dressed for the parade – it's Napoleonics after all

Glad it wasn't my memory going – I thought I'd seen one in a colpack. Need to drag out my info books. Not painting much at present as rebuilding an engine. Colour choice is easier – it will be black…

G'Day Gents

Once more thank you all for the additional information and postings…

OK…OK…OK…I know it is totalllllly incorrect…but I have the Polish and Dutch Lancers in dress and not campaign…

With that said…I am looking at the FN125…

What about this Front Rank Figure?

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Or should I go with Perry FN125

Best Regards
Art

Just a little something more for your perusal

Paul :)

Dibble's images above are invaluable! Saved.

Nothing wrong with full dress. I have shamelessly mixed and matched. Many new Front Rank figures really do appeal and the moulding and casting has always been superb. The anatomy, esp on cavalry figures can let them down I feel. Consider just how his right arm comes out the side of his chest, attached nearly down to his costal margin. It would reach down past his knees. But it could work.

The full dress eagle bearer is an officer. See his reversed lace and epaulette. Swap his right hand and superglue any replacement?

and Marc…white colpack from trumpet major of 2nd Dutch. Looks brilliant. Many pics in various books, even on line.

Just to convince you, white not black…..and it looks better. Not sure it was ever worn beyond a parade ground though….and only by one person. Heck, who cares? He is so "cool" (I hated that phrase 45 years ago, seems OK now)

Marc the Plastics Fan

Talk about a gag falling on stony ground…..

I just reread your posting. DUHHHH….. I read "Colour choice is easier – it will be black…" and thought you cannot do this guy's headgear in black…….the penny now drops.

Sometimes the wit is too much for the reader's IQ……

Don't fret on it Liam, my engine could look cool in white bearskin.

What I found particularly interesting was how much nice the picture looked than the miniature. The white fur in the picture is "suggested" by some curly grey lines, wheelreas the miniature uses probably a black under coat, so the colpack doesn't look as "clean". Yet size wise on my screen there is nit much in it. Maybe us painters go too far with the shade sometimes