Help support TMP


"Cold War Terrain? Western Europe" Topic


20 Posts

All members in good standing are free to post here. Opinions expressed here are solely those of the posters, and have not been cleared with nor are they endorsed by The Miniatures Page.

Remember that you can Stifle members so that you don't have to read their posts.

For more information, see the TMP FAQ.


Back to the Terrain and Scenics Message Board

Back to the Cold War (1946-1989) Message Board


Areas of Interest

General
Modern

Featured Hobby News Article


Featured Link


Featured Showcase Article

Orisek's Tank Trap

A walk down memory lane - do you remember the Tank Trap?


Featured Workbench Article

Simple Basing Technique for Modern Pulp

One way to base Modern Pulp figures for a wide variety of environments.


Featured Profile Article


Current Poll


1,501 hits since 3 Sep 2015
©1994-2024 Bill Armintrout
Comments or corrections?


TMP logo

Membership

Please sign in to your membership account, or, if you are not yet a member, please sign up for your free membership account.
Mako1103 Sep 2015 12:08 a.m. PST

Looking forward to doing a bit of Cold War gaming, from the 1950s – 1989, or so, in several scales, so thought it might be a good idea to ponder terrain for West Germany, and perhaps the Danish isles to start (maybe Sweden and Norway eventually too).

I'm thinking mainly open countryside, with perhaps some hilly valleys (small mountains), trees, roadways, small villages, etc..

Ideas for what makes the battlefield look like West Germany, and other suitable countries in Northwestern Europe?

Need ideas for 6mm, 12mm, and 15mm scales?

Mako1103 Sep 2015 1:43 a.m. PST

Yes, I know those technically aren't scales above, but was working to post this before the maintenance deadline – read 1/285th – 1/300th, 1/144th, and 1/100th scales, if you prefer.

Perhaps, obviously, some open grasslands, and/or low fields as well, between and around the small villages and towns, in the open valleys.

Ideas for making realistic looking, yet mobile hills and valleys, from felt or other fabric terrain, to channelize the movements of vehicles and troops would be greatly appreciated, too.

CAG 1903 Sep 2015 1:50 a.m. PST

For me it is the little things such as road signs and advertising. Then road markings and clutter. Barrie Lovell at Timecast introduced me into that idea for 6mm games using MSH as rule set and I have continued it on.

McWong7303 Sep 2015 2:26 a.m. PST

Auhagen HO/TT range, which as this page explains is 1:100 scale, so 15mm.
link

There are several good search results from Google showing these against FOW figures. Their TT range is also pretty good for 15mm. What I like about the Auhagen range is that it's post WW2 and entirely German. They have a good range of road signs and building bits like doors and windows, for those inclined to scratch build.

IainAF03 Sep 2015 3:17 a.m. PST

Using Google Earth/Maps helps out with getting a good idea of the terrain for me.

Muncehead03 Sep 2015 3:26 a.m. PST

I have always liked what this guy has achieved in 6mm:

6mm.wargaming.info/page2.shtml

HistoryPhD03 Sep 2015 5:08 a.m. PST

Lots of fields of rape seed:

picture

picture

Unless you're doing a winter scenario

49mountain03 Sep 2015 10:03 a.m. PST

North German plain relatively flat with fewer features. South has hills, mountains, and significant forests. Autobahns are everywhere, as are villages.

Weasel03 Sep 2015 12:48 p.m. PST

Denmark: Country side is rural with a few farms here and there. Paved roads everywhere, a fair amount of woodland and overgrown area. Pretty flat.

Farms don't look any different from American family farms, like you'd see in New England anyways.

Navy Fower Wun Seven03 Sep 2015 2:05 p.m. PST

Yes realistic look auotbahns with lighting, gantrys, ramps etc are going to be the challenge I think…

Mako1103 Sep 2015 2:15 p.m. PST

Thanks for the info on Denmark, Weasel, and to you others for Germany.

I'm thinking some sort of gently rolling terrain, preferably, instead of the Ping-Pong table effect, if I can pull that off, bordered by trees and hills, with a smattering of small villages, and/or residential structures.

For the buildings, perhaps more peaked roofs, with at least a 45 degree angle on most of them, some even sharper than that. Also, some with the exterior wood beams showing, since they seem to be pretty common, at least amongst older buildings/homes/barns.

What about small gas stations or markets out in the country?

I've seen some included in other AARs and Battle Report photos, so imagine you might see some of those on rural roads as well, out in the country, or near villages, occasionally.

Any ideas for the types of buildings found most commonly in the small villages of the Fulda region of Germany?

Jemima Fawr03 Sep 2015 3:08 p.m. PST

Was rape all that common as a crop in the 80s? It's everywhere now, but I remember it being new and unusual in the early 90s.

Weasel03 Sep 2015 6:23 p.m. PST

Honestly, a lot of western European terrain is pretty interchangeable.

Oh, forgot to mention: Brick buildings, not wood, more often than not, at least up North but that was my impression when I've been to Germany as well.

gunnerphil04 Sep 2015 2:34 a.m. PST

Jemima rape as crop in Germany was common in the 80s. At least in area I was stationed in.

Remember seeing lots of it. Also we were given a cost per meter of crops in case of damage. It caused many very bad jokes when given a cost for a square meter of rape.

Weasel04 Sep 2015 2:00 p.m. PST

Plenty it in the north as well in the 80's.

HistoryPhD05 Sep 2015 9:08 a.m. PST

I was in Germany in 1981 and rape fields were very common

French Wargame Holidays11 Sep 2015 5:52 a.m. PST

High voltage power lines, telegraph poles, bitumen roads and concrete roads, large feilds of crop all help with making a table look modern

CavScout8thCav11 Sep 2015 6:19 a.m. PST

You don't see little stores or gas stations out in the middle of nowhere. The Germans are quite orderly. Small towns and villages dotted the countryside outside the large cities so you were never far from a little store. Gas stations though you had to look for since not every town or village had one. I'm glad my 5 years stationed in Germany is useful for doing terrain in games. lol

Mako1112 Sep 2015 2:38 a.m. PST

Thanks for that.

Yea, from what I've seen on-line (just done a little perusing, so need to do a lot more), it appears that many towns/villages are primarily residential, at least in some of the more rural areas near Fulda, with perhaps a restaurant, or inn/restaurant sprinkled about, here and there. Perhaps a small market too, here and there, but more like the old style of markets, from the 1950s, or earlier here in the USA, with the store downstairs, and living quarters above, on the second story (these appear to be located somewhere inside the town/village, as opposed to being on the outskirts.

Sorry - only verified members can post on the forums.