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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian31 Jul 2015 5:36 p.m. PST

True or False: All the fun is with Roman naval gaming during the Republic; the Imperial period is boring.

Personal logo Doms Decals Sponsoring Member of TMP31 Jul 2015 5:43 p.m. PST

True,ish…. For fleet actions the Republic's where it's at, but there's plenty of scope for what we'd now term riverine actions under Imperial Rome.

John Leahy Sponsoring Member of TMP31 Jul 2015 5:55 p.m. PST

Yep.

Personal logo McKinstry Supporting Member of TMP Fezian31 Jul 2015 7:05 p.m. PST

Are you counting Actium as a Republic thing?

D6 Junkie31 Jul 2015 7:29 p.m. PST

Yep, I agree!!

Big Red Supporting Member of TMP31 Jul 2015 7:55 p.m. PST

True

gamershs31 Jul 2015 10:34 p.m. PST

Major fleet actions in the Imperial period may be a little slow. Just remember the Imperial succession and anti pirate that happens in this period could supply many battles.

Bashytubits31 Jul 2015 10:50 p.m. PST

False, the greeks and the Persians make for some great match ups.

David Manley31 Jul 2015 11:04 p.m. PST

False

Trierarch31 Jul 2015 11:33 p.m. PST

Depends on your definition of Naval and fun :-)

Not a lot of scope for fleet actions in the Imperial period, but plenty of fun to be had with smaller actions and amphibious ops.

Cheers
David

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP01 Aug 2015 8:28 a.m. PST

For fleet actions, a fair view

But don't forget – there was piratin' during the Imperial period!

batesmotel3401 Aug 2015 9:00 a.m. PST

Does the imperial period extend to 1453 as the Romans would consider it? If so, there is good poten5ial for Roman/Byzantine fleet action versus Muslims.

Chris

olicana01 Aug 2015 9:03 a.m. PST

I have a passing interest in classical naval warfare and my assessment is this (for what it's worth).

For big fleet actions I would split classical galley warfare up into three periods.

1. Greek Vs Persian and Peloponnesian War. Aphract triremes, almost exclusively. Fleet and squadron actions a plenty.

2. Successor, Mid Republic / Punic War / Rome Vs Successor. Ships are getting bigger. The Successors are using plenty of bigger ships (quadriremes, sixes, tens, etc.), and triremes become scouting ships. The Carthaginians invent the quinquereme, the Romans copy it, and this is the main battleship for the Punic War period – there are some smaller support craft and a few sixes though. The successors are still using bigger ships. Ships are big enough to mount towers and engines. Almost all ships are cataphract. Tons of stuff here.

3. Roman Civil Wars. Rome is still using the Quinquireme as the main battleship, but is also starting to develop smaller ships to patrol what is quickly becoming a Roman lake. These are the liburnians which will soon be the dominant military vessles in the Med'. At Actium, Octavian uses a mixed fleet of quin's and liburnians against the last Successor fleet under Antony and Cleopatra containing quin's, and several much larger ships. If you have ships for 2 above, you just need to add liburnians. Not that many actions here, Actium being the stand out famous one.

After Actium the Med' is, as stated, a Roman lake and big ships are no longer required. The Romans just need fast, cheap patrol vessels to catch pirates, etc. The liburnian is well suited to this task. Therefore, IMHO, the statement is TRUE.

Of course, tactics too changed over the period, which puts a different slant on which sub period is best. Personally I like 2 and my ships are aimed at that periods, but I have a few aphract triremes for doing the earlier stuff (at squadron level) and use some biremes for liburnians for the later.

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Sergeant Paper02 Aug 2015 3:19 p.m. PST

False. There is fun throughout the Roman period.

Skull and Crown02 Aug 2015 11:12 p.m. PST

Historical battles aside, just look at all those shiny spectacular ships! I'd rewrite history a hundred times to play with those. Well done Olicana!

Cheers
Ths

olicana03 Aug 2015 2:54 a.m. PST

S&C, Thanks, if your ever in this neck of the woods…………

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