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KaweWeissiZadeh Inactive Member24 Jul 2015 11:44 a.m. PST

Stephan AKA Regulator was painting these recently for a Westfalia costumer who was pledging in our Persian Kickstarter. Amazing quality for such a huge bunch of figs I'd say!

The army:

High command:

Camel guns:

Line artillery:
[img width=800 height=348]http://fs1.directupload.net/images/150724/mr7q3fnd.jpg

Line infantry:

Militia infantry:

Line cav:



Kurdish cavalry:


Afghan cavalry:


Afghan skirmishers:

Camel train:

Thanks again to everybody who has helped to make this army happen.

rmcaras Supporting Member of TMP24 Jul 2015 12:02 p.m. PST

Elbonians!

Oh Bugger Inactive Member24 Jul 2015 12:03 p.m. PST

Lovely work! Who makes the infantry flags?

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP24 Jul 2015 12:13 p.m. PST

Wow. BTW, Who makes the flags? Have a guess and go to the Westfalia website. Freebies, if you have a really good printer!

Imagine mass producing/painting to this quality.

Intrigued by the history of these folk. Could they really stand in a pitched battle against contemporary Imperial Russian or Austrian or indeed any Western European army? I could imagine harassing lines of supply and guerrilla warfare. But that camel with the cannon ……….great model……but the poor dromedary….it is just not possible (well not after the first shot anyway). Cannot imagine these at Mt St Jean ( I do accept that was not the only battle of the Napoleonic era…there was QB, Ligny and maybe Wavre as well I will concede. The rest were skirmishes)

Apologies, I know nothing about their contribution, other than the vague idea they did not get on with the Tsar.

What about the stripes in that bottom picture? We try to do tartan, but that is amazing………….real skill

Jcfrog Supporting Member of TMP24 Jul 2015 12:23 p.m. PST

Amazing, colourful, and so uncommon.
KudosX20

One day in 18mm?

KaweWeissiZadeh Inactive Member24 Jul 2015 12:47 p.m. PST

Yes – Elbonians. The flags can be either downloaded at Westfaliaminiatures.com or boughtin a high quality at flagsofwar.com – I think they are being released in 18mm by someone – rebelminis?

typical enemies for the precolonial / Qadjar Persians woould, Russians, Afghans, Wahhabis, Ottomans, EIC and Inidans.

Personal logo Silurian Supporting Member of TMP24 Jul 2015 1:04 p.m. PST

Wow. Beautiful army!

MHoxie24 Jul 2015 3:24 p.m. PST

Coolest. Army. Ever.

Oh Bugger Inactive Member24 Jul 2015 3:46 p.m. PST

"Could they really stand in a pitched battle against contemporary Imperial Russian or Austrian or indeed any Western European army?"

The regulars were trained by the French, British and Russians at various times. Do a TMP search for Qajar Persians for more info. They fought the Afghans, British and Russians as well as the Turks.

Personal logo Florida Tory Supporting Member of TMP24 Jul 2015 5:09 p.m. PST

Well-painted and well-displayed, a true visual treat.

And I was pleasantly surprised – when I saw the thread title, I was expecting militia in fringed hunting shirts, with an Andrew Jackson or an
Edmund Gaines command figure.

wink

(I did see your prior postings on the Kickstarter, but I game battles that involve troops from the other Georgia in the same period.)

Rick

evilgong Supporting Member of TMP24 Jul 2015 7:29 p.m. PST

Superb brushwork

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Intrigued by the history of these folk. Could they really stand in a pitched battle against contemporary Imperial Russian or Austrian or indeed any Western European army? I could imagine harassing lines of supply and guerrilla warfare. But that camel with the cannon ……….great model……but the poor dromedary….it is just not possible (well not after the first shot anyway)
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Yes they could go toe-to-toe with Russians, on a smaller scale there are records of Persian bayonet charges routing Russians, smaller forces defeated and larger army-size actions that were stalemates.

The Persians don't inflict a crushing defeat on a large Russian army, in general terms their armies were not well led (with some exceptions) and woefully supplied as the nation's economy was a basket case. A good army was often assembled but in a few years largely disbanded for want of money.

The Persian generals seem to make a range of elementary mistakes to the exasperation of their European advisors.

In the war vs Turks in the 1820s the Persians have two armies of 30-40K men, a royal strategic reserve of perhaps 30K (at a real guess), other forces in the east and scattered in forts. I doubt they could put more than 60k men in one place and that would be padded with large numbers of irregular cavalry of uneven quality, so your giant European armies would over-match them – if they could get to Persia.

Later in the century they appear to be gathering really large armies vs the Brits in the 1850s but peace breaks out before they get into action.

The zamburak camel gunners were a common part of their armies, I think I've now read 8-10 European eye-witnesses who describe them shooting from the saddle, but they could also detach the gun to shoot, presumably for increased accuracy.

Persian illustrations of them in battle show them lined up in a fire-fight against Russian guns, or routing Russian infantry. They seem to have been used in a few different ways – sorta skirmishing in waves where the men would ride forwards shoot circulate back to a point re-load and repeat. Other roles were to shoot and then retire to extend the infantry firing line, and to help out other artillery. They would also try to engage enemy guns with enfilading fire.

Regards

David F Brown

Fire at Will24 Jul 2015 10:35 p.m. PST

Splendid army

Blue Max24 Jul 2015 11:48 p.m. PST

Very interesting and unusual army. Good job!

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP25 Jul 2015 12:06 a.m. PST

Quite fascinating now I have read the above and more as suggested………..thanks all

Gunner Dunbar Supporting Member of TMP25 Jul 2015 1:58 a.m. PST

Great looking army, I hope they do better against the Russians then their latest effort.

archiduque25 Jul 2015 4:33 a.m. PST

Fantastic work!!!!!

IronDuke596 Supporting Member of TMP25 Jul 2015 9:17 a.m. PST

Like Florida Tory, I was hoping it was the other Georgia of the War of 1812.

Nonetheless, a superb collection of an unusual subject. Well done, in particular Westphalia for taking on unique aspects of Napoleonic warfare.

Christian Cameron Inactive Member29 Apr 2017 7:32 p.m. PST

This set of pictures was so inspiring that I am now collecting and painting this army. Thanks. Er, I think…

archiduque01 May 2017 5:08 a.m. PST

Stunning!!!

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