Druzhina | 13 Jul 2015 11:49 p.m. PST |
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Broglie | 14 Jul 2015 1:44 a.m. PST |
Thanks Druzhina That is great. I used to have Gush's book but lent it to someone and never got it back. Regards |
ochoin | 14 Jul 2015 2:46 a.m. PST |
A very useful resource. Many thanks. |
Oh Bugger | 14 Jul 2015 4:35 a.m. PST |
Tudor flags in colour very nice. |
Cardinal Hawkwood | 14 Jul 2015 5:48 a.m. PST |
I still have the originals |
Intrepide | 14 Jul 2015 7:04 a.m. PST |
Outstanding, thank you so much! |
Kadrinazi | 14 Jul 2015 7:48 a.m. PST |
'Sometimes inaccurate' is really understatement here ;) |
GurKhan | 14 Jul 2015 8:51 a.m. PST |
When were the articles originally published, can anyone remember – early 1970s? |
Kadrinazi | 14 Jul 2015 8:57 a.m. PST |
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IGWARG1 | 14 Jul 2015 9:03 a.m. PST |
Can someone point out inacuracies. Being old doesn't automaticaly makes it inacurate. |
Gray Bear | 14 Jul 2015 10:07 a.m. PST |
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Who asked this joker | 14 Jul 2015 12:33 p.m. PST |
Can someone point out inacuracies. Being old doesn't automaticaly makes it inacurate. Lutzen. The text says the Imperialists used smaller formations 800-1000 men instead of the big Spanish style blocks. AFAIK, Lutzen was characterized by the use of 4 big blocks in the center with a few smaller regiments to hold the windmill hill. I have not read the whole thing though. There could be other inaccuracies. Nice article and very interesting never the less. Thanks for posting! |
Daniel S | 14 Jul 2015 1:16 p.m. PST |
Lutzen. The text says the Imperialists used smaller formations 800-1000 men instead of the big Spanish style blocks. AFAIK, Lutzen was characterized by the use of 4 big blocks in the center with a few smaller regiments to hold the windmill hill. I have not read the whole thing though. There could be other inaccuracies. Well that is one (rare) instances when Gush is right. The "4 big blocks" were an invention by the engraver who illustrated the battle for "Theatrum Europeaum" and is not supported by any eyewitness or primary sources. We have ample evidence for the Imperial deploymentsuch as Holk's letter written just days after the battle, the deployment sketch today on display in the HGM in Wein and the large painting of the battle which Piccolomini commisioned Snayers to make to name 3 of the most important.
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GurKhan | 14 Jul 2015 1:17 p.m. PST |
Lutzen. The text says the Imperialists used smaller formations 800-1000 men instead of the big Spanish style blocks. AFAIK, Lutzen was characterized by the use of 4 big blocks in the center with a few smaller regiments to hold the windmill hill. Of course the Imperial array at Lutzen is a subject of long debate, and there are people here who know the evidence much better than I do; but isn't Gush more or less correct here? Brzezinski in the Lutzen Osprey (2001) quotes Holk, the man who personally put the Imperial infantry into formation, as writing that the first line was "5000 on foot in five brigades" and "the middle [line] in two brigades each of 1000 and six companies of horse…" – in other words, exactly the strength Gush suggested, right from the horse's mouth. Edit: And I see that one of those better-informed people has beaten me to it! |
Kadrinazi | 14 Jul 2015 2:28 p.m. PST |
Polish army is full of errors, just the few examples: - it wasn't Polish army, it was Polish and Lithuanian armies, that were part of the Commonwealth - Gush wrote about the colours of the uniform like it was standard thing in Commonwealth armies, which of course wasn't - Pancerni are mentioned but no 'cossack style cavalry' which in fact was much more common than pancerni until 1670's - light cavalry was NOT made of Cossacks - bagpipes were not the standard musical instrument of he the Polish infantry - dragoons rarely had pistol, not to mention brace of them - no heavy dragoons in Commonwealth armies - 'rajtar' cavalry was not based on Swedish formations and for large part of the 17th century they retained armour - Lithuanian Tatars in 17th century didn't look like the one from the picture. They were very much like Poles and Lithuanians with their clothes and I could like that whole night… |
20thmaine | 14 Jul 2015 4:54 p.m. PST |
It's perhaps hard to recall what a ground breaking series this was – mistakes/errors/misinterpretations and all. Forty years ago the amount of information available for many of these armies – in English and outside university libraries was (approximately) diddly-squat. George Gush really moved things forwards for Renaissance era gaming, never one of the really big periods and even more so back in '75 when there were hardly any figures compared to, say, ancients/medievals. Nice to see these articles more widely available – but like Cardinal hawkwood "I still have the originals"! |
Bobgnar | 14 Jul 2015 5:15 p.m. PST |
This new listing of the contents should be quite useful. Most of the chapters from the book were already available online here: myarmoury.com/features.html There is some other interesting stuff there too. Putting all of this online will now save John Curry a bit of work if he had planned to publish this in his useful history of wargaming series. |
Druzhina | 14 Jul 2015 9:11 p.m. PST |
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bruntonboy | 14 Jul 2015 10:55 p.m. PST |
Please add 24 and 25! I would love to see those as I have the original book but never saw the magazine articles. I recon if these are added in than it may help those who are critical of Gush's efforts appreciate just how rare information AND wargames figures were for this period way back when he was writing these gems. |
Lt Col Pedant | 15 Jul 2015 5:03 a.m. PST |
I'd second bruntonboy's request. |
20thmaine | 15 Jul 2015 5:15 a.m. PST |
Although I have them already I third that suggestion. The commitment of gamers of that era to get the figures they wanted/needed was quite remarkable. lansknechts from British 8th Army figures…..you kids don't know what I'm talking about . |
Who asked this joker | 15 Jul 2015 7:55 a.m. PST |
Well that is one (rare) instances when Gush is right. The "4 big blocks" were an invention by the engraver who illustrated the battle for "Theatrum Europeaum" and is not supported by any eyewitness or primary sources. We have ample evidence for the Imperial deploymentsuch as Holk's letter written just days after the battle, the deployment sketch today on display in the HGM in Wein and the large painting of the battle which Piccolomini commisioned Snayers to make to name 3 of the most important. I figured you'd be by to enlighten us Daniel! Thanks for the insight! As usual, very informative! |
Mac1638 | 15 Jul 2015 8:25 a.m. PST |
I still some time use my paper back copy of Renaissance Armies by George Gush (orange cover). This book did more for renaissance wargaming at the time than any other (along with his quirky rules). With the help of this book I was able to build by converting Hinchliff 25mm Ottoman's and Muscovite's into a Persian Army,no manufacturas in the late 70's I still have them. |
sumerandakkad | 15 Jul 2015 12:17 p.m. PST |
I find them more informative than the Osprey equivalent. Different format I know. |
Druzhina | 16 Jul 2015 4:20 a.m. PST |
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GurKhan | 16 Jul 2015 5:29 a.m. PST |
Those are some impressive conversions! I don't remember those last two articles – I must have given up Airfix Mag before they appeared. Thanks, Druzhina. |
bruntonboy | 19 Jul 2015 4:08 a.m. PST |
Thanks! Very much appeciated. |
AussieAndy | 27 Jul 2015 7:45 p.m. PST |
Hello all I have Mr Gush's Renaissance Armies book, but I haven't yet read it. Can anyone advise if there is anything extra in the Airfix Magazine articles or whether they just cover the same ground as the book. I don't want to print them out if they cover the same territory. Thank you |
Supercilius Maximus | 28 Jul 2015 5:13 a.m. PST |
Can anyone indicate whether the article on the armies of the Moghul Empire remains accurate and reliable? |
pilum40 | 29 Jul 2015 5:53 p.m. PST |
I've still got my two copies…the orange cover and the green cover! |
Druzhina | 29 Jul 2015 8:41 p.m. PST |
I have Mr Gush's Renaissance Armies book, but I haven't yet read it. Can anyone advise if there is anything extra in the Airfix Magazine articles or whether they just cover the same ground as the book. I don't want to print them out if they cover the same territory I noticed that the Polish chapter was revised, with a few new illustrations. Druzhina Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers |