"Is The U.S. Military Training Neo-Nazis In Ukraine?" Topic

"Officially no, but no one in the U.S. government seem to know for sure.

There are no doubts about the neo-Nazi and white supremacist background of the Azov Battalion, a militia that has positioned itself at the forefront of the fight against Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine. As the founder and head of the battalion Andriy Biletsky once put it, "The historic mission of our nation in this critical moment is to lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade for their survival."

That Russian President Vladimir Putin and his propagandists exploit this fact, using it to build support for their aggression and to undermine the international effort to help Ukraine defend its independence, is undeniable. But knowing that, and wanting to resist that, does not resolve some very important questions about the basic facts.

What is the relationship of the U.S. government to these people? Is it training them? Might it arm them? Is this, like the Afghan war of the 1980s, one of those cases where we aid and abet the kind of monsters who eventually become our enemies? Concerns about that possibility have been growing on Capitol Hill…"
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Yes. They are so useful for the other side's propaganda that one would wonder if they'd want these away too.
Even the Poles have a bit of afterthoughts all with the various Ukrainian nazis and the government openly promoting ww2 dubious at best fighters.

One should also wonder why the ukr gov and its sponsors don't clamp down on these to clean the place a bit and not open such a big avenue of PR for the others.
Internal ukr politics with oligarch, private units etc. are way beyond our simplistic views.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend…..until the situation changes….

We will do anything for a $1. USD

Concerns about that possibility have been growing on Capitol Hill…"

The long and the short of it is, that the U.S. Congress doesn't know what they're doing and have invoked the Leahy Law so their conscience is clear and they can rest their weary heads at night.

I thought this was telling.

The issue here concerns who is eligible for aid in the first place, and America must choose allies whose interests and ideas align with ours.

Should I conclude that we don't want to defeat ISIS? I know the Kurds want to defeat them, yet we don't give them what they need.

Putin has reinstated the Cossacks. They are now one of his primary "go to" sources of military and paramilitary combattants.

Historically, the Cossacks have been Russia's spearhead in all of their pogroms against the Jews. Cossacks have also been used to repress muslims and any other minority that Russia has problems with.

The Cossacks fought under flags of the Waffen SS in WWII.

Everybody has blood on their hands here.

While I'm not a Nazi apologist, to be fair, the Marxists/Leninists/Stalinists/Communists/Socialists make the Nazis look like choir boys by comparison, when you rack up the number of people they've killed.

Comparing evil with evil is always tricky, but the Nazis did not kill fewer people than Stalin because they were less evil.

They killed fewer because they were stopped. Had they won, their extermination camps would have been busy for a long, long time.

And no, even with an allowance for hyperbole, Communism did not make the Nazis look like choir boys.

The west fully doesn't understand it yet but the Polish Commonwealth is being resurrected in the face of Russian aggression…the Poles are allying closely with the Ukrainians and pressuring the Lithuanians to join. NATO has begun arming the Ukrainians by funneling arms through the Poles, who themselves have "unofficial" units in the Ukrainian warzone, both training and fighting the Russians. A long time coming but revenge is indeed sweet.

Well, I do admit to using a bit of hyperbole there, but still, 20 million or so, compared to 100+ million is a pretty significant difference.

Supposedly, the Soviets alone account for between 20 – 60 million people killed.

He who seeks vengeance must dig two graves: one for his enemy and one for himself.

With you Mako.

Nazi/Communist = flakes/frosted flakes.

With any totalitarian government for that matter the result is the same – lots of people who live under them end up dead for the good of the state.

"Someone else is also evil" does not actually absolve anyone from being evil themselves, except on the internet.

People LOVE to quibble about the numbers murdered, because if they can juuuuuuust squeeze this guy below that guy, then we can just talk about that guy.

Of course, we all like to throw around numbers like absolutes, when even the people who spend their entire lives studying Stalin or the Holocaust have long debates over the exact death tolls, how many of those should be "counted" etc.

Then you have political motivations: Neo-nazi's, soviet apologists, imperialism and colonial apologists etc, people imposing present day politics on past events etc, nationalist cretins who will excuse anything their own nations did.
The list goes on and on.

What does not go on and on, unless it's vigorously defended is human dignity.