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Tango0125 Jun 2015 9:43 p.m. PST

Superb job here!

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Hope you enjoy!

Amicalement
Armand

Question: The green ring on the soldiers hats identify them as from the "medic" corp?.

Amicalement
Armand

TKindred Supporting Member of TMP25 Jun 2015 11:04 p.m. PST

The green stripe on the cap, as well as the plain green half-chevron on the sleeves identify those two soldiers as belonging to the Ambulance Corps.

I very much like the work done here. I have only a couple of minor criticisms.

1.) Unless they are NCO's, there should be no stripe on an enlisted man's trousers.

2.) If the officer is supposed to be an assistant surgeon, then he should NOT be wearing a revolver. Medical personnel of all types were considered non-combatants and by rule were not to be armed.

3.) it's possible that the officer is the LT in charge of the division ambulance train, but that's unlikely as he was to remain at their dispatching point to supervise their operations.

But overall, well done.

morrigan26 Jun 2015 5:13 a.m. PST

Nice job!

ScottWashburn Sponsoring Member of TMP26 Jun 2015 7:17 a.m. PST

Very nicely done!

TKindred, I'm thinking that the painter did not intend a trouser stripe on the men, it's just a little-bit-too dark shading of the seam in the trouser. You can see that he did similar shading on the back of the coatless soldier's trouser, too.

Intrepide26 Jun 2015 10:04 a.m. PST

TKindred, that is good information. Lesson learned and will be applied about the green branch colors. I wondered about the sidearm. I agree that the trousers are marked with seams rather than stripes.

Nice find, Tango.

John the Greater26 Jun 2015 10:58 a.m. PST

Oddly, sometimes the surgeons did carry pistols early in the War.

I agree the trouser stripes look like they are really heavy shading. A minor quibble, it is a great vignette.

jpattern226 Jun 2015 11:19 a.m. PST

Really nice work on those.

Tango0127 Jun 2015 10:48 a.m. PST

Glad you enjoyed it boys.

Thanks for the info also!.

Amicalement
Armand

TKindred Supporting Member of TMP27 Jun 2015 4:34 p.m. PST

I noticed later about the seams. By then it was too late to go back and change it/edit, etc. My bad.

One note: The Ambulance Corps only arrives in 1863, and really gets it's start in the Chancellorsville campaign. So for units before that, it's just guys detailed to be litter bearers.

Also, the Ambulance Corps were the only guys who had that green hat band. They were given a plain green half-chevron to help designate them, and also because they wouldn't be promoted except to a sgt rank as they received extra pay already for their position.

The Ambulance Corps was divided up and assigned at the divisional level. Each division had a train of 40 ambulances, each with a driver and 2 litter bearers. This was under the command of a Lt, and normally assisted by 1 or 2 sgts. Those sergeants wore regular sergeant chevrons, but in the same green as the half-chevrons worn by the litter bearers and drivers. They also had green hat bands. The officer, however, wore medical shoulder boards (black background with silver embroidered MS in old english script) with a gold welt on his trousers, and a medical officer's cap or hat with MS badge on the front.

capncarp27 Jun 2015 8:51 p.m. PST

From what I've read, the Union.Asst. Surgeons were pretty far back of the action areas, more likely in the field hospital areas. The Confederate Asst. Surgeons were much closer to the front lines, provided more immediate treatment to the wounded (I tend to consider them the time period's paramedics) and had an appreciably greater casually rate compared with Federal medicals of the same description.

Tango0127 Jun 2015 11:41 p.m. PST

Many thanks for the info TKindred!

Do you know if they have weapons?

Amicalement
Armand

GoodOldRebel04 Jul 2015 4:36 a.m. PST

As non-combatants I don't believe they were supposed to carry weapons?

Superb set though and most definitely on my hit list for project Shiloh!

TKindred Supporting Member of TMP04 Jul 2015 6:24 a.m. PST

Yup. I'll be adding this to the "to-do" list once I clear off a couple other painting projects in my que.

Tango0104 Jul 2015 11:16 a.m. PST

Glad you like it too my friend.

Thanks for the aswer.

Amicalement
Armand

Last Hussar04 Jul 2015 11:51 a.m. PST

I would point out what the Regulations say and what actually happens are two separate things!

GoodOldRebel04 Jul 2015 1:41 p.m. PST

Hence my use of the word 'supposed', regulations are often seen more as guidelines rather than hard and fast rules to be adhered too.

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