"1/72 prepackaged tanks are really 1/60" Topic

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first is 1/48 infantry,last model is 1/72 alpini infantry (for perspective)

Visually the figures next to the Sturm Tiger look too tall.

I have this model [if it is the Dragon one] and it is 1/72.

cheers Jowady, good points

A 28mm figure is closer to 1/64 in scale.

But who remembers the (supposed) 1/72 Hesegawa Stuart, which was far too big for the rest of their own models, let alone anyone else's 1/72s?

A 28mm figure is closer to 1/64 in scale.

Close, but actually it would either be 1/61 or 1/58 depending on which calculations you use, TMP's or Fine Scale Modeler's based on an average human height of 5'-8" as the point of reference.

For those interested in the math of scale versus figure size, TMP has a resource: TMP link

Fine Scale Modeler magazine also has a nice article on scale vs. figure size: PDF link

For the record I don't follow the math and just trust my eyeballs and instincts. I use (gasp!) 1/48 vehicles with my "28mm" figures because they look right to me.

I put 28mm in quotation because they're really oversized bulky "heroic scale" figures from Artizan, Crusader and Warlord that dwarf the more realistically proportioned 1/48 figures (like Tamiya's) in girth and I can't picture these chunky minis inside a 1/56 scale vehicle. I mount them on elevated GW slotta-bases to compensate for their lack of proper height and they look fine next to the 1/48 vehicles.

It's kinda like how people had trouble picturing a squad of 10 Space Marines packed into one of those old Rhino APC's before GW did a new one. Call it "scale creep" or whatever.

Sorry for hijacking this thread for 28mm, but my point is if you think 1/72 is too big and 1/87 looks right then go with HO scale. Trust your instincts.

1/72 is equivalent to:

1610 ÷ 72 = 22.36 or 22mm (TMP method)
1717 ÷ 72 = 23.85 or 24mm (Fine Scale Modeler method)

HO translates to:

1610 ÷ 87 = 18.51 or 19mm (TMP)
1717 ÷ 87 = 19.74 or 20mm (Fine Scale Modeler)

Both HO and 1/72 appear reasonable. But then there's also the question of height being foot-to-eye rather than to the top of the head as Tim said.

The Dragon Sturmtiger is bang on 1/72.

If you think it looks right with 1/48th figures you have clearly never looked at a real one.

Unless you know lots of 8' tall Germans.

As for the Wirbelwind, good luck getting three 28mm crew in the turret. Its also 1/72.

I think I got that model for $10.00 USD USD back in the day.. I don't know who's paying this kind of money

On the other hand yours might be from Matchbox, in which case you can get one for £35.00 GBP on eBay UK.

C.D.C models are highly collectable, apparently.

yes they are not exact,this is obvious-but if i have to choose between using these models with my 1/72 (look at the alpini infantry) and 1/48…-the 1/48 infantry is the lesser of two evils

better vehicle seems a little small vs massively large

once again it seems the two models are closer to 1/60 than 1/72 (look at the alpini infantry

:)

Judging by the ruler, the Sturmtiger is 1/72.

It should be 88mm long in 1/72.

Thats 6280mm divided by 72 equals 88mm.

You can call it 1/60th all you like, but im afraid you are wrong. Its 1/72.

The problem you are not looking at is that the real thing is massively large! Its over 6m long!

Have you considered that the old Esci Alpini may not be the right scale…

no all 1/72 plastics are the same size

I may have to call that…

Right… so all 1/72 plastic soldier are the same size… but the tanks aren't?

Measure the Sturmtiger hull length… the maths cant lie.

1/72 – 88mm

1/60 – 105mm

All the reviews online for the Dragon Sturmtiger claim its almost exact to 1/72.

The 1/48 figures also look too tall to me next to the 1/72 Sturmtiger.

A better shot in horizontal (level with the ground) would be better than the angled top-down view shown and no doubt reveal the figures to be too tall.

I also find it highly unlikely that the Dragon model is out of scale due to their reputation as one of the largest and most respected manufacturers of scale model kits in the world.

It's autoblinda's call of course, but if the 1/48 infantry are used with the 1/72 Sturmtiger in a diorama competition I'm pretty sure it wouldn't win any awards no matter how well they look otherwise.

Yep, I'm afraid the 1/48 figures are way too tall next to the sturmtiger.
check out conptemporay tiger pics with men next to them. Very few show men whose eye level is higher than a tiger engine deck, generally level with the top of the head (depending on the German).

(look at the alpini infantry)

They're in scale with all three vehicles in the picture. What's the problem?

Ultimately, you need to go with your instincts and use the figures/vehicles that look right to you. If you post on a forum looking for advice, especially on a subject like scale, you may not get the answer the you want to hear…

Is it really that difficult to measure the length of a model?

I am baffled by the whole conversation. Really. It's easier to post a dozen pictures of models, the models with figures, the models with a ruler, and paragraphs of text talking about how they do or don't fit, than to simply measure the $#@*&@# thing and say "the model is XXXmm long"?

When I was involved in a discussion about supposedly over-scaled infantry figures (GHQ's Individual Infantry), I posted this picture:

The figure on the left is a recent GHQ sculpt (from the Romanian Individual Infantry set). It measures 6.5mm from the bottom of the boot to the top of the helmet.

GHQ claims the model is 1/285 scale. How hard can it be to figure out? 6.5mm x 285 = 1,852mm. So this figure represents a soldier who, when standing upright, is 1,852mm tall (1.85m, or 6 foot) from the bottom of the boot to the top of the helmet.

Seems like an entirely appropriate size for the scale.

Was that so hard? Just measure the model! If multiplying a number by 72 is too hard for you, we'll do it for you! VOILA we know whether it fits the scale.

That's all well and good, Mark 1, but the problem is that the OP, autoblinda, would rather have us believe as he does that all those prepainted models Dragon has been advertising as 1/72 for over a decade are actually 1/60 and not 1/72.

I'm afraid he hasn't had much luck in that regard so far.

But seriously, if he thinks that his 1/72 figures look more accurate with HO scale vehicles he should stick with 1/87.

cheers great comment

Those must be 15mm Germans on that Sturmtiger.

Best thread evah!

lol

Sweet Mary and Joseph, this is painful. I think I might take a lead from doms banana…..

cheers for the great post! Very informative :)

And you guys have done some ridiculous modification so that you can no longer use the back button to go back to the edit page and try again.

No changes made there… sorry about your bad luck.

Sorry the bug has struck again, but those high tech sci-fi jets sure look cool nonetheless😃

Regarding the photos (of Abraham Lincoln as a youth, dressed up as an ancient Egyptian, and of an Atlantic Bersaglieri soldier) posted by PiersBrand:

Note that the Bersaglieri figure is not 1/72 but moving toward 1/76 scale. Despite this, I have a bunch of them and they have served me well for 35 years.

Ditto Tango 2 3, I like all your photos except the last one. It is definitely not in scale! :D