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14 Jun 2015 8:00 p.m. PST
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47Ronin11 Jun 2015 2:44 p.m. PST

FYI, there will be a Carnage and Glory Waterloo game to commemorate the 200th anniversary of the battle this Saturday, June 13th, at the West Point Museum at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, NY. Although all the player slots are full, all are invited to observe the event which will be held on the lower level of the Museum. Nigel Marsh, the designer of the Carnage and Glory II computer moderated rules, will preside over the game. The game will go on all day and entrance to the Museum is free. If you have not been to the Museum, this is a great opportunity to go and watch the Waterloo battle gamed by veteran players and GMs.

Hope to see you there.

GamesPoet Supporting Member of TMP11 Jun 2015 3:15 p.m. PST

This sounds like a worthwhile event. Bummer I won't be able to attend, and hope some one takes lots of pictures to share after its completed. : )

MadDrMark Inactive Member11 Jun 2015 3:18 p.m. PST

Please post a report afterwards!

carojon11 Jun 2015 11:38 p.m. PST

Looking forward to the AAR. Have a good time

stephen116214 Jun 2015 3:40 p.m. PST

French victory on all three tables.

6th Corps cavalry and Guard Lt cavalry combined to rout Prussian IV Korps cavalry and keep the Prussian infantry jammed up in the spaces between the woods. French 6th Corps infantry never fired a shot.

D'Erlons Corps and Old Guard drove Picton's forces off the ridge. Hanoverian brigades were the weak link and their collapse left a big hole in Wellington's line.

Remainder of French forces used artillery and superior tactics to inflict heavier casualties on Anglo-Allied forces around Hougomont. The French briefly occupied Hougomont, but were then forced out. Wellington's forces were so jammed up on this table that they took heavy casualties from French guns thus French victory based on casualties.

Great game all around.


Lord Ashram14 Jun 2015 7:17 p.m. PST

What, no photos?!

If I had seen this in time, I might have dropped up for a look and taken some photos myself! Darn it…

Ligniere Sponsoring Member of TMP Inactive Member15 Jun 2015 7:48 a.m. PST

@ Lord Ashram,
I'll be collating the photos over the course of the next few days and uploading them to the website with info on the outcome of the battle – so it's coming….
Bottom line, as Stephen pointed out above, the French were victorious at Plancenoit, Hougoumont, La Haye Sainte and Papelotte.

The aggressive handling of Domon, Subervie, and Lefebvre-Desnouette's three cavalry divisions to the east of Plancenoit, was sufficient to bottle-up the Prussian heads of column in the region of the Bois de Paris. The qualitative difference between the sides paid dividends for the French, but with the arrival of the Prussian reserve batteries, and the exhaustion of both Domon and Subervies divisions, things would certainly have taken a turn against the French later in the evening. However, between 1830 and 1900 hours it was certainly looking like a French major victory.

At Hougoumont, early French cavalry assaults had achieved remarkable success against the Allied front line behind Hougoumont, and pressure against the the Nassauers, and Hanoverians defending Hougoumont had seen the French make strong advances in this area. My understanding is that the French took the farm and chateau at one point, but were then ousted by a countercharge by a battalion or wing of the British Guards. Mitchell's brigade to the west of Hougoumont was also pushed decisively back. The allies responded by stacking up a defense in depth, by bringing Chasse from Braine L'Alleud, and the Brunswickers into the fight. This brought the allied strength in this part of the field close to 40,000 men, opposed to 26,000 French. The allies were convinced that the French superiority in artillery was making a substantial difference, whereas the reality would have been that the allies actually had a numeric advantage in guns around Hougoumont. The result, as of about 1330-1400 hours was another major French victory around Hougoumont.

All three strongpoints, La Haye Sainte, Papelotte and La Haye fell to French pressure. La Haye Sainte was subjected to an effective bombardment from the 12 pounders of I and VI Corps, and four subsequent infantry assaults ultimately saw the fall and capture of La Haye Sainte by elements of Quiot's division, around 1530 hours. Papelotte had been subjected to a series of infantry assaults by elements of Durutte's division supported by horse artillery from Milhaud's corps, which evicted the defending Nassauer's around 1500 hours. La Haye was abandoned by the other Nassau battalion around the same time as the fall of La Haye Sainte. Both points being quickly occupied by French forces. Between La Haye and Smohain, a significant cavalry action was fought between Vivien and Jacquinot, with the French lancers and chasseurs ultimately prevailing against the KGL Hussars and and 10th and 18th British Hussars. In the center Donzelot's division pressed hard and their high water mark saw the 13e Leger breaking multiple lines of Bijlandt's brigade, before being halted by the 5th and 8th Dutch Militia battalions. To the east of Donzelot, Milhaud's cuirassiers were engaged in strength against the Hanoverian militia of Best and Vincke. Both commanders falling to the thrusts of cuirassier swords, one to the back and one to the chest, as their brigades collapsed under the relentless pressure, fully 50% of the Hanoverians capitulated to the hard hitting cuirassiers, which effectively broke the allied left wing to the north of Papelotte.
Meanwhile in the center Morand's Chasseur division of the Imperial Guard replaced Donzelot in the center, and broke the back of the allied resistance on the Ohain road. A valiant countercharge by the Scot's Grey's against the 2.2e Chasseurs a Pied, who remained in line to receive the charge, failed as over 80 men were dropped from the saddle at close range. French losses were about 25 percent between La Haye Sainte and Papelotte, allied losses were higher at about 33 percent. At 1600 hours, both sides were exhausted, but it was clearly a French Pyrrhic victory.

We all had a blast!

Ligniere Sponsoring Member of TMP Inactive Member15 Jun 2015 8:51 a.m. PST

For those of you with access to Facebook the West Point museum have a Facebook page where they have posted photos of the progress of the game from Friday setup through play and completion of the game[s] on Saturday… at the time I actually didn't realize they were doing this so this is awesome! Some of the photos are very atmospheric, and illustrate the defense in depth and closeness of the action. A really big thank you to the staff at the museum!



WARSTEVE Inactive Member25 Jul 2015 2:23 p.m. PST

WEST POINT used to hold a war game convention every year. WHAT HAPPENED. I used to go. Then for some reason it stopped. Any chance for it starting up again?

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