"What mortar is this?" Topic
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| PCS Dane | 01 Jun 2015 10:51 p.m. PST |
Black Tree make an 82mm mortar for their WW2 Soviets. Anyone know what type it is supposed to be? link |
Mark 1  | 01 Jun 2015 11:21 p.m. PST |
Appears to me to be the 82mm PM-41 mortar (officially: 82-Полевой Миномёт-41). This was the 1941 mod to the earlier BM-37 model 82-BM-37 (82-батальонный миномёт-37) 82mm battalion mortar. It might also be the further-improved PM-43. I don't really know enough to tell them apart. Both have a 2 wheel removable base that was was added starting with the 1941 model for man-porting. Or so I understand. Hope that helps. -Mark
(aka: Mk 1) |
| Rrobbyrobot | 01 Jun 2015 11:22 p.m. PST |
According to the Jager platoon website it's an 82-BM41. The wheels are interesting. It seems the Soviets had several models of medium mortars in use at the same time. |
| Barin1 | 02 Jun 2015 4:25 a.m. PST |
both models had detachable wheels, and both look similar.
PM-43
link
and PM-41
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| PCS Dane | 03 Jun 2015 4:02 a.m. PST |
Thx, guys My google-fu brought me as far as you – but looking at the BTD model, the actual legs, not the wheels, appear to be quite different from the PM-41/43… Maybe it's just a sculpting thing, but then again, maybe not..? |
| Mark 1 | 03 Jun 2015 1:09 p.m. PST |
So … with more attention to the detail of the legs, as you suggest, I think we can close in on the specific model. I believe it is the 82-PM-43, not the 82-PM-41. The PM-41 had a "bow" to provide a bipod front leg. To bring it into action quickly, the wheels were individually pivoted away from the ground. It can be seen in the photo in the posting above this one. This was recognized as less stable than desirable for accurate fire.
The PM-43 updated this design. The front bipod leg had a more robust angular shape, and I believe the wheel mount could be moved, as a whole, up the mono-arm away from the ground to bring it into action quickly, or removed entirely once emplaced for a period of time. I believe we see on the sculpt linked in the original post is that the wheel mount has been moved rather far up the mono-arm. I think. But never operated either one. So only from reading. Could be wrong. Been known to happen … -Mark
(aka: Mk 1) |
| PCS Dane | 03 Jun 2015 11:22 p.m. PST |
@Mark, That is awesome research! I believe you are right, and I now have the justification to go crazy and get a battery of these thinks… Thx for the info |
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