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27 May 2015 7:47 p.m. PST
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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian27 May 2015 7:47 p.m. PST

Are you sometimes embarrassed by your fellow miniature wargamers?

Personal logo brass1 Supporting Member of TMP27 May 2015 7:52 p.m. PST

Constantly.

LT

Old Contemptibles Supporting Member of TMP27 May 2015 8:01 p.m. PST

There are times.

Cyrus the Great27 May 2015 8:09 p.m. PST

I might be embarrassed for them, but I'm not embarrassed personally.

vtsaogames27 May 2015 8:12 p.m. PST

Yes.

Also by other folks who are non-gamers

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP27 May 2015 8:17 p.m. PST

Many times… I felt shame for others, (smile)

Amicalement
Armand

Bashytubits27 May 2015 8:18 p.m. PST

Sometimes, but people on this site often surprise me with their generosity and maturity as well.

RavenscraftCybernetics27 May 2015 8:22 p.m. PST

yes

A sea that raged no more27 May 2015 8:39 p.m. PST

"Wargamers"? In particular, or persons involved with miniature figures and/or wargaming? Or people on TMP, and/or other miniatures sites?

No. Sometimes irritated, sometimes annoyed. They are otherwise far too anonymous for me to feel embarrassment.

What about your view, Bill?

EDIT:

I'm embarrassed now to realise that you, The Editor in Chief, have had your OP 'adjusted' in the action log to the left of this page. YOU should have got that right first time!! Tee-hee, I'm just joking with you Bill grin

John the OFM27 May 2015 8:52 p.m. PST

"Used to be, but I don't go there any more."
He said enigmatically…

Weasel27 May 2015 10:39 p.m. PST

I game with people that are personal friends.

We tend to avoid the crazies.

Fat Wally27 May 2015 10:42 p.m. PST

Not by my regular gaming groups, but at a show definitely.

KTravlos28 May 2015 12:42 a.m. PST

There are times. Hygine and lack of style for me :p :p and there are times I embarrass them. Usually because I am very loud in games.

Abwehrschlacht28 May 2015 12:50 a.m. PST

When I read the threads on TMP Talk – yes. In the company of the gamers I game with – no.

advocate28 May 2015 12:50 a.m. PST

Yes.

Joes Shop Supporting Member of TMP28 May 2015 1:10 a.m. PST

No.

Yesthatphil28 May 2015 1:11 a.m. PST

Abwehrschlacht +1 …

(exactly what I was going to add as I scrolled through) – if wargaming was like it sometimes seems on the internet I would have walked away years ago …

Phil

Zargon28 May 2015 1:39 a.m. PST

I'm sure I embarrass a lot of my peers a nd others, but they tend to overlook my lack of graces and form due to my enthusiasm :)
Cheers and my mates all know my biggest laps eh gents ;) oh and yeah there are some but I tend to stay away from them fruits too acidic :)

Gwydion28 May 2015 1:41 a.m. PST

Never because of their wargaming.

Politics, cultural insensitivity, lack of insight into personal issues yes, but I tend not to play with them for very long.

Personal logo Patrick R Supporting Member of TMP28 May 2015 2:38 a.m. PST

It takes all kinds …

OSchmidt28 May 2015 4:07 a.m. PST

Once, many years ago, I was a customer at a game store, and got to know the owner quite well. He was a great guy and did a lot of favors for me.

He did not know I was a gamer.

He had a gaming section, with the usual drips and drabs of minis. He thought I was a model railroader (which I am in a way as well).

One day a few gamers came in asking him if he carried a certain line of miniatures. The gamer said he wanted to get intoXXXXX war, and was interested. The owner was polite but told him that he had little demand for minis.

When the guy left, the owner unburdened to me and told me all the horror stories of miniature gamers that a store owner could tell.

He said to me. "War Gamers are the nastiest, meanest, cheapest, laziest, most mean-spirited people I ever met. They won't do it unless you gift wrap it for them and shove it into their grubby little claws, and even then all they will do is complain and they will never be grateful."

As I said he did not know I was a gamer. A few weeks later I revealed that. He was a little embarrassed. But we remained friends.

I used to think that his opinion was wildly over-drawn and extreme, and quite unfair.

Then I joined TMP.

My own group is great. There's about a dozen guys I invite, depending on personal lives, of which about 8 come to any oen game. All great guys. People from both sides of the political spectrum. Never a problem.

But then there's a self-selection process, and people who don't like Otto games don't come back.

I suspect I'm one of the reprehensible ones to them.

Dynaman878928 May 2015 4:09 a.m. PST

Humanity is an embarrassment, no need to filter it any finer.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian28 May 2015 7:00 a.m. PST

What about your view, Bill?

I always thought of wargaming as a hobby where people could get together in spite of their differences to enjoy a good game. Sort of like Snoopy and the Red Baron. grin

I am dismayed when a few people seem to seek out differences with other wargamers, or make sneering comments about those they don't approve of. It is counter to what I think of as the spirit of wargaming.

Who asked this joker28 May 2015 7:51 a.m. PST

Not embarrassed by any of my friends. Sure we get the eye-roll from the wives or s/o's but that's normal. But we embrace our "nerdiness" and that is what counts!

Personal logo PzGeneral Supporting Member of TMP28 May 2015 8:24 a.m. PST

Not embarrased, but saddened. Rude behavior, and a lack of personal hygiene makes me mentally shake my head and I sigh. Somewhere down the line, someone has failed…..

McKinstry Fezian28 May 2015 8:26 a.m. PST

Probably no different from the average to be found with any hobby. I've seen behavior on a golf course worse than any simple non-bathing socially awkward convention anorak.

Personal logo Dan Cyr Supporting Member of TMP28 May 2015 8:36 a.m. PST

As in any group, there will be a few individuals that stand out in a negative way.

Non-bathing types, fan boys and the Nazi t-shirt wearers used to bother me, but since I don't do many conventions any longer, don't experience many of them.

Dan

duncanh28 May 2015 9:39 a.m. PST

At my gaming club, about 5%. At a show/convention about 20%, in other places about 90%.

MechanicalHorizon28 May 2015 9:41 a.m. PST

I'm not embarrassed at them being wargamers.

I'm embarrassed at how immature, childish (and at a few companies I've worked at how unprofessional) they can be.

Patrick Sexton Supporting Member of TMP28 May 2015 9:48 a.m. PST

Embarrased by? No. Annoyed by some/many? (Das Reich World Tour t-shirts wearers being high on the list) Yes.

Personal logo David Manley Supporting Member of TMP28 May 2015 10:28 a.m. PST

reading some of the views expressed on TMP? Yes, constantly

Personal logo Doctor X Supporting Member of TMP28 May 2015 10:43 a.m. PST

Cyrus +1

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP28 May 2015 11:18 a.m. PST

I'm sure I embarrass them more than they me.

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP28 May 2015 11:55 a.m. PST

Nah. And I think most of the people I regularly game with are so inured to my presence that they are not embarassed, either.

Wizard Whateley28 May 2015 4:00 p.m. PST

No

Cosmic Reset28 May 2015 6:48 p.m. PST

Not so much really.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian28 May 2015 7:32 p.m. PST

reading some of the views expressed on TMP? Yes, constantly

that reeks of elitism to me

Temporary like Achilles28 May 2015 8:09 p.m. PST

Gamers who devour snacks like they haven't seen food for a month can be horrifying to see. Mind you, they may later have to watch me pour beer down my throat, so it probably evens out!

Acharnement29 May 2015 1:13 a.m. PST

I don't get embarrassed, I do the embarrassing in our group. It has become an unofficial, unsalaried position. This enables everyone else to judge themselves "normal" by comparison.

Yesthatphil29 May 2015 1:38 a.m. PST

reading some of the views expressed on TMP? Yes, constantly

Ed: that reeks of elitism to me

Although the editor, of course, reacts to some views expressed on TMP by Dawghousing, snipping and banning …

I guess it depends what embarrassed means.

I'd have thought both editors and contributors were entitled to have 'standards' (and it isn't even clear from the above whether those standards are different).

Just because someone tags themselves a wargamer doesn't entitle them to a carte blanche … the vast majority I have ever met are fine individuals and I've enjoyed sharing my enthusiasm with them but it is naive to imagine there are not going to be issues occasionally.

Phil

Mute Bystander29 May 2015 3:02 a.m. PST

Why should/would I be embarrassed by the actions of others?

I do enough on my own…

KSmyth29 May 2015 6:31 p.m. PST

If you don't want to hear the answers Bill, don't ask the question. To answer your charge of elitism, David shared ideas and unpublished materials with me when I was working on a project. I've found him to be anything but elitist.

To answer the broader question, I'm regularly amazed how supportive and generous most gamers are, sharing ideas, miniatures and praise. There are those who mean-spirited and small minded, but I find them to be few and far between.

warhawkwind30 May 2015 8:33 a.m. PST

Not really, no. But I recall a new kid, probably a sophmore, who showed up at a game day at Ames College. Being interested, he was asking questions and examining the Ancients on the table. He picked up a cigar box, and for some reason, turned it over to look at the bottom. It was full of pikemen. Every single one of them hit the floor, and you can imagine the carnage. The gasps were more than audible. I felt so sorry for him, and besides the few that were more than miffed, I think the rest of the group felt badly for him too. He had the look of a gentle soul.
It was a stupid thing to do of coarse, but gamers are usually so eager to get new players into the hobby, they forgave him and tried to get him to stay.
That says alot about us as a whole I think. Some were mad, some were sympathetic, some were helpful. Guess we're just people like everybody else, huh?

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP30 May 2015 3:58 p.m. PST

Why is elitism always seen as a negative thing?
I've always thought it to mean you have standards.

link

Personal logo DWilliams Supporting Member of TMP30 May 2015 4:22 p.m. PST

Only once when a very drunk member of our club began to rage about how the other side was cheating in a table top game. He went on and on for about 20 minutes and then went over to a couch and fell fast asleep.

Great War Ace02 Jun 2015 7:43 a.m. PST

My standards of expectation are so low. When was the last time I felt actual embarrassment? I can't even remember.

Annoyance, yes, often and almost constantly. But I keep reminding myself that my standards of expectation of others (and even myself) are kept deliberately low. And that helps a lot….

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