"Would You Kill Young Hitler?" Topic

"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement." (Gandalf)
I would help him to find a girl friend … and beat up his art teachers.

War Panda – So if our time agents parents met during a post-ww2 celebration, he goes back, kills Hitler, prevents world war 2… and thus prevents his own existence from happening, causing him to never have existed, thus being unable to travel back and the war thus happens anyways :-)

dBerczerk 21 May 2015 5:48 p.m. PST
Send the lad to art school.

Yep. Heck, even be a secret patron and buy his lousy art!

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP 21 May 2015 10:06 p.m. PST
And I would kill Young Stalin too.

Nope. He wanted to be an Orthodox priest but blew an important exam and got expelled given his lack of connections. Pass the kid and pay for his tuition, let him be a priest. Or of that doesn't work, he also was interested in meteorology -- send the kid to a good school to study science.

20thmaine, your answer was inspiring.

Myself, I would go back and kill Gavrilo Princip.

No, History is what it is, interfering could trigger other events, who are maybe even worse

War Panda – So if our time agents parents met during a post-ww2 celebration, he goes back, kills Hitler, prevents world war 2… and thus prevents his own existence from happening, causing him to never have existed, thus being unable to travel back and the war thus happens anyways :-)
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Exactly ;) …OK maybe we could get Hitler to go back and…

I'd be tempted to, but I'll probably stay my hand due to the butterfly effect.

Besides, I've never been a fan of Utilitarianism.

Isn't that the usual paradox thing?

If you kill hitler in the past, then there wouldn't be any reason to send somebody back into the past to kill hitler, so hitler wouldn't be killed by someone travelling back into the past…….or something like that.

Earl has it all figured out :)

What ever you decide to do, don't dance with him:

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I might go back and convince the winners of WWI not to impose such drastic and draconian penalties on Germany in the first place.

No. If we dare not kill butterflies, killing future heads of state ought to be right out.

Earl:
Despite what TV and movies keep trying to cram down our throats under the impression that they deserve money for nothing, the theory under which paradoxes function in that context was rendered obsolete twenty-odd years ago. See Ken Campbells' Reality on the Rocks for more.

I have read how this turned out when Abney Park tried stealing Hitler from his cot as a newborn and dumping him on an orphanage. Think Apocalypse.

You could always go back to WW1 and tell the chap who had him in his sights to shoot.

Maybe people do go back in time to kill Hitler, but there is another faction that kills the would-be killers before they get their chance. Therefore, our timeline has not been changed. (Great plot for a book. )
So, I'll pass on a possible suicide mission, and wait for the T-1000 Terminators to be sent in… ;-)

My Grandmother was engaged to a sailor who was torpedoed before she met my Grandfather. If I prevent WWII then I won't exist, and if I don't exist then I can't prevent WWII so it will happen and I will exist. How many times can you go round that loop with out going mad?

Robert

If you did it, you would have created a new universe where you did it, but when you come back you will be in this one, in which you didn't. Therefore you needn't care, it's the people of the other universes' problem.

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First of all lets not get our knickers in a twist over such an absurd proposition

Secondly, so YOU are defining that the heroism of the beaches of Normandy for example was "an evil act of murder".

That's not how I view it.

A Just War which you will find has fairly well defined universally set criteria does not constitute "evil act of murder" in my opinion.
Murdering an individual who hasn't yet perpetuated a crime yet does, in my opinion.

Lots of people killed in wars (including plenty of enemy soldiers) haven't perpetuated any crimes. War is just crime institutionalized and writ large. I have no problem with that, and it's often the best choice.

Pretending it's different from and better than assassination is ludicrous, however.

-Kle.

I'm going to leave this right here…

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Ok. Ok.
At what age is it all right to kill Hitler?

Pretending it's different from and better than assassination is ludicrous

What's actually ludicrous Kle, and this is important, is the inability of an adult to remain civil and dignified in an argument with another who doesn't share their own view. Even if that argument is taking place over the internet.

"Ah, so you like to pretend things aren't what they are, to make you feel good, instead of facing reality. Good to know."

I suppose you believe in Santa Claus, too.

First off Kle. A conversation outside of the internet with someone with your manner would not last past your opening sophomoric remark. Thankfully I don't have to suffer persons of such poor civility in the real world and quite honestly I'm wondering why I'm bothering to continue with your irksome attitude as long as I have.

There's enough of this stupid juvenile behaviour here recently and I know its effecting the respectability of this site.

I've no intention of wasting any further time with ignorant individuals such as yourself; which is a shame because quite honestly you've a lot to learn obviously.

"Hitler is murdered in 1919.

Stalin attacks the West in 1941 and Communism takes over all of Europe."

And we get the universe of C&C:Red Alert :)

Maybe there was an even worse one, say one that wasn't anti-Semite, kept Einstein, etc and developed the Bomb before the west and won? But the Time-Police have already killed him and Hitler was the result?

JohnG

No

But I would kill Stalin & Lenin.

If I had a time machine, I wouldn't use it to kill Hitler.
However, there's always the chance he'd become a collateral damage statistic in my dinosaur reintroduction programme.

What's actually ludicrous Kle, and this is important, is the inability of an adult to remain civil and dignified in an argument with another who doesn't share their own view. Even if that argument is taking place over the internet.

Perhaps for you.

However, since I don't agree with you definitions of any of those things, I am going to continue to express my contempt for you and your opinions.

First off Kle. A conversation outside of the internet with someone with your manner would not last past your opening sophomoric remark. Thankfully I don't have to suffer persons of such poor civility in the real world and quite honestly I'm wondering why I'm bothering to continue with your irksome attitude as long as I have.

-Kle.

P.S. – still waiting for any attempts at refutation of my statements, even though they will fail because your position is self-contradictory.

I am following StarCruiser's example.

Really, people?

Killing Hitler in such circumstances is just really pre-emptive legal execution.

As I don't believe in Capital Punishment the answer to the OP's question is easy: no.

cue the music
"the world is a circle without a beginning and nobody knows where it really ennnnnnds"
thank you thank you very much

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For anyone who's played World of Warcraft there were some very fun dungeons/levels involving time travel related to the games story.

You were working for a group of people who go back in time to prevent other time travelers from messing with the timeline (even though they had good reasons). This could make a really good pulp skirmish game actually…

Why not save two generations and kill Gavrilo Princip before the takes the world into WWI?
Of course anyone changing things that far in the past will probably cause their parents not to meet and they will cease to exits.

"This could make a really good pulp skirmish game actually…"

I think it sounds very promising idea for sure

3 player game: time travelling vigilantes, Nazis, and the time cops trying to keep history straight.

My contention is that anyone developing time travel will have their life messed with from those in their future so they never exist or go on to do something else.

I seem to remember the story of the young Englishman on a motoring holiday around Europe. He was driving around Munich
accompanied by his host acting as his guide. He turned sharply into a sidestreet and almost killed a pedestrian but managed to brake in time, after apologies the man srode off unhurt. His German friend said "I know that man, he's a bit of a local celebrity, Hitler, Adolf Hitler" Years later the driver said "If only I hadn't been so quick on the brakes!"

This sort of thing happens all the time with some wargaming friends. This one fellow makes a move, realizes it was a bad move, moves his troops back to their "first" position, and then takes another move from this new and improved position.

Time travel is possible, at least for some gamers.

:-D