"Update on 1792-1800 Austrian Kaskett for inf and dragoons." Topic

I'm building a 6mm Austrian Revolutionary War army to progress the campaign referenced in my blog below. I need to make caskett wearing inf and dragoons/chevaux-leger.

Beeker had a suggested a solution for Adler ( TMP link ). The post is quite old now, any tips on good base figures from other ranges?

I'd like to use Baccus as first choice, but I have some Heroics & Ros and I could continue to buy those.

Cheers

Sheldon
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sho Boki did an Austrian fusilier with Kasket in 6 mm as well.

Hohenlohe,
Problem with the early stuff it just doesnt sell very well. If it aint 1809, 1812 or 1815 its on the margin, which is a pity as its the earlier period thats much more fun.
Get togther enough people to buy £600.00 GBP worth of early Austrians and I might finish the part done range. Otherwise it stays on the end of a long design list. So much to design so little time lol
Rebasing? Why? No rules basing is anything close to the ground scale anyhow so is utterly abstract. If your bases a different size to those in the rules you know the difference in sizes so can easily adjust on the rare occasions when the basing actually matters. For Blucher etc just make movement trays the correct size and put your existing figures on those.

I can only pretty much repeat what Leon said. The Revolutionary wars is a huge subject demanding a big investment in time and money with a very uncertain possibility of a decent return. On top of that the time spent doinf such a range takes us away from working on things which are more in demand and will provide better rewards for the effort.

Sadly there is often a good reason for the moan that, 'Nobody does them!'

I do have a 'Baccstarter' scheme rin through the Baccus forum where you can try and garner enough commitment for me to go ahead with new codes. It may be worth going down that route.

I just sell out all my 6mm sideproduction pre-1798 Austrian Infantry strips on last weekend.
But seems to me, that even 1812 Russians, my first 6mm limited set, don't sell well.

Thanks for the quick responses and I'm sorry I expressed myself so poorly. My post wasn't a criticism of any manufacturers. You can't make them if you can't sell them. :) I read the old threads and understand the situation and the commercial realities. A shame the Boki's were sold out.

I was asking if there was any advance in the last 4 years on Beeker's idea of a 7yw Prussians as a base figure to convert to kaskett. I didn't mean figure basing.

My gaming group is refighting the entire revo-nap wars and hoping to finish before I die of old age. So I fear it's a case of the dremel and green stuff as I need to get going on them now 😊

I'm sorry I was so unclear.

Cheers

Sheldon

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Don't worry, Sheldon.
I will cast these more, I must just make new masterstrips, figs was placed to closely together on old ones.

Hohenlohe,
No criticism taken at all, sorry if you thought Id implied as much.
My comment on basing was drawn from looking at your blog posting about needing to rebase to suit different rules. Anyone who suggests that you need to rebase in order to play a particular ruleset ( specially if its the rules publisher! lol) is talking out of his Kasquet……….
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Since both Mr. Adler and Sho Baki are on this thread, may I ask ….

I know *nothing* about these services, but would something like KickStarter or GoFundMe or similar be a good way to collect support and (promises of) money, over time, for a limited run of "unpopular" models?

- Sasha

Hmm … 600GBP? A decade ago some friends and I rounded up 5x that for a 10mm project, and most single contributions (admittedly French and Austrian together) were in the 2-300GBp range. Seems like it would be achievable with a little advertising.

I don't doubt that sales of the French Rev period would be lower than other top periods. However, you also have to consider the knock-on effect. For instance, right now I'm (still!) considering whether to go 6mm or 10mm. Adler has a beautiful early French range, which I'm not buying because they have no foes. On the other hand, whichever scale and line I do choose – it's Napoleonics! It means a decade or two of purchases and painting, even if the starting point was the low priority French Rev period. I'm pretty sure that's the typical Napoleonic buy-in. Of course, you can just shrug and gamble that people will buy Napoleonics anyway, and it's probably true – but they might be buying them from other companies.

On the larger topic, I've often wondered how profitable Eureka's huge French Rev period line is. It's a massive project that's been going on for years – are they really losing money?

Sho – what are your new strips going to look like?

I am new in this business and don't know about this Kickstarter projects too much.
But I think, that this not help me. I sculpt these unpopular themes anyway, as I fill gaps in other producers lines in 15-18mm scale. Step by step.
When I finish my current projects, my fingers will tell me, what they want to sculpt next..

In 6mm scale I plan to sculpt all, and I mean ALL, napoleonics and pre-napoleonics European powers. Theirs aren't so many as looks and in 6mm one figure may cover several powers.

CATenWolde, strips are the same – 3 figs on max 1cm wide strip.
Only Austrians old uniform was wider (more voluminous) than later one, and my figs on edge of his old 8mm wide strip can't stand firmly.

Alexandre,
Not going kickstarter route, far too complex, involved and well………..sort of Twitter/FB style which is not my area at all. Ghastly quite frankly lol
CATenWolde the £600.00 GBP pays for the production moulds not the design time for that add another '0' lol And err for Rev French opponents you have early Prussians and early Brits……..the Rev French dont sell much so no point making more opponents thats the problem.
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Yay! Sho Boki solved the problem for me while I slept. Thanks :)

To Leon:

I regret the follies of my youth, but not all involved wine, women and song. Our group based 6mm napoleonics on single company sticks of 4-6 figures (depending on organisation) on a base width of 8-18mm by 3-4mm. Base sizes differed by nationality, unit type, and date.

A battalion might be made up of 4-9 of these sticks. Time for a rebase even if only sticking them to a bigger base as you suggest :D

To CA TenWolde

Eureka are doing the same as Boki and filling market gaps. Unlike more established manufacturers, they don't have the choice of working on their more profitable lines :)

To no one in particular:

Anyway, what's with the negative waves? Sho's going to make some more and anyone who needs some can buy from him. If we want to see revolutionary Austrians happen we should make sure he sells out again by spreading the word. He's getting a blog post to himself on my blog, so nearly 15 people will see that. I don't know how many Mum will buy :D

If he gets to sell out maybe that will convince him to make cavalry :D

Edit: "Anyway, no need for negative waves"
Bad Kelly's Heroes quotes don't read as well as one might think.

@CATenWolde

Why don't you go 18 mm – Sho is doing a marvellous job there – he is doing at the monent – for example – Austrian Chevaulegers.

Like yourself I was long undecided what scale to chose, in the end it is 18 mm now.

I won't commit to a scale where not even the most major nations are covered or planed to be covered.

AB did a very nice Austrian Army and Sho seemingly will fill some gaps.
Then you have Battle Honours for a lot of other nations as well.

Simply because I have the entire wars to do and money and time are an issue. We already have some 6mm so future mixing should be maximised. These will mix with bicorne French which will mix with existing 6mm Prussians of 1806. :)

Cheers

Sheldon

I for one would certainly buy 6mm Austrians in Kasketts if they became available and the lack of them is one of the things holding me back from contemplating buying in this period for other nationalities. They are, after all, the main opponent of the French in this period.

This period has many attractions. Battles are smaller and more manageable than later on. This was the crucible which tested tactical developments.

But then it's not me having to risk the outlay on a new range :)

Are there any suitable proxies which could be used for the kaskett in the absence of a specific figure? If someone is eventually going to cover them then I can wait, it's not like I'm short of other stuff I'm painting at the moment :)

As an after thought I would say I have spent quite a lot of cash on preparing for the Waterloo campaign and I probably won't be using British in belgic shakos etc. much outside of this one 100 day campaign, so the attraction of figures I can use over a period of c.10 years of conflict is that much greater.

You are asking the same question I started with.
No need to convert. As above, Sho Boki is going to cast some more 6mm and his figures look good.

"Don't worry, Sheldon.
I will cast these more, I must just make new masterstrips, figs was placed to closely together on old ones."

He thought maybe a couple of months. If you really want to see more revo stuff I'd buy as soon as he's done.

There is a thread by Beeker about snipping the corners off 7YW Prussian tricornes to make Kasketts. I was afraid I'd end up doing that but Sho has rescued me.

I've just committed to a Revolutionary Wars project for much the same reasons as Hohenlohe (time and ability to mix), although my scale is 15/18mm, and I will be basing it on the Italian theatre to start with.

I already have a considerable collection of French in bicorne for 1805-1807 so the command stands will be replaced with ones with standards rather than eagles.

They should then be suitable for the later years 1798-1800, and at a pinch for 1796 although the lack of Tarleton is a slight issue (for me anyway). I've been following Eclipsing Binaries blog on Marengo and was going to go with Austrian's in helmet and replace the command stands to give them the 2 standards per battalion. However, a combination of the thread on Sho's Austrian cavalry and getting my hands on some AB Austrians in kasket (absolutely cracking figures) has persuaded me to go with the kasket.

The hope that AB will revisit the Revolutionary Wars is slight (although not forsaken as Tony B has hinted on a previous thread at older masters lying about somewhere) so I'm relying on Sho to carry on with his project and fill the gaps ;-)

I'm going to use the command stand exchange for the french too. I'm going to use bright light inf for tarleton. May not be able to get away with that in 18mm.

Have thought about head-swaps, but I think that the British Tarleton on the Light Dragoons and HA is way too big to suit the French, might try a few to satisfy the curiosity.

Brit not bright 😐

Hmmm, are you sure Dragoons wore caskets? My 15mm AB Austrian Dragoons have bicornes. Just checking.

we speak about Chevaulegers – they had the kasket.

Sorry, my bad.

We're good to go. Just placed an order for 900 of the little beggars. Rushing down to the hardware store to buy 10 cans of white spray paint as we speak.

Cheers

Sheldon

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600 of them are ready, others I cast today.
And then two weeks travel time to Australia.
You have plenty of time for rushing down to the hardware store.. ;)

A propos, Sheldon..
as market survey, how do you most like to buy 6mm figs,

1)already based on strips, ready for use
or as
2)separate figures, you may base as you wish?

I always separate them, but I'm old school :)

@Hohenlohe

Very nice blog – enjoyed it very much

6mm Kaskett equipped Austrian infantry on it's way from Sho Boki. Thank you very much. I need to get them painted up.

Our refights (yes, I'm running four instances of the campaign right now) will be finished in late July or August. That means I'll need these Austrians by Septmeber when we'll be starting Dumouriez' invasion of Belgium.

Cheers

Sheldon

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or maybe Montesquiou's invasion of Savoy

Thank you! And I hope that you like them.

Figures have arrived and very nice too thanks. It was a bit like Christmas :)