"Were there french cavalry manuals?" Topic
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14 Apr 2015 1:25 p.m. PST by Editor in Chief Bill
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serge joe | 14 Apr 2015 9:17 a.m. PST |
Gents,Now something about the cavalry by the way seen the inantry 1791 greetings serge joe |
Oliver Schmidt | 14 Apr 2015 9:19 a.m. PST |
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Artilleryman | 14 Apr 2015 10:41 a.m. PST |
The French had some excellent publications whereas the British had very few during the Napoleonic Wars if at all. |
Jcfrog | 14 Apr 2015 11:09 a.m. PST |
And read De Brack he goes into many details. |
serge joe | 14 Apr 2015 11:17 a.m. PST |
Took a litl while but i found it so oliver schimdt many thanks greetings serge joe stil have to buy a copie of de brack! the best to you serge joe |
Oliver Schmidt | 14 Apr 2015 11:25 a.m. PST |
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David Manley | 14 Apr 2015 12:10 p.m. PST |
I thought manuels were more of a Spanish thing…..
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Mallen | 14 Apr 2015 12:12 p.m. PST |
Artilleryman: The British tactical manual was both simple and elegant: charge the horizon. |
Jemima Fawr | 14 Apr 2015 12:57 p.m. PST |
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Rod MacArthur | 14 Apr 2015 2:13 p.m. PST |
Back in the days before the Internet, I used to collect tactical manuals. Many of these are now available online. My cavalry ones are: Original (and expensive) Instructions and Regulations for the Formations and Movements of the Cavalry 1796 (British). An Elucidation of Several Parts of His Majesty's Regulations for Formations and Movements of Cavalry 1798 (British). Reprints Rules and Regulations for the Sword Exercise of Cavalry 1796 (British). Prussian Cavalry 1812. Photocopies
Standing Orders for the Cavalry Regiments of the KGL 1808 (in German). Instruction Provisionaire Concernant l'Exercise & Manoeuvres des Troupes à cheval – 1788 (French). Proposals for organisation of the cavalry 1793 (French). Reglement fur die Husaren-Regimenter und fur die Regiment Bosniaken 1796 (Prussian – in German). Austrian Cavalry Regulations 1806 (in German). Russian Cavalry 1797 (in Russian). Russian Cavalry 1812 (in Russian). There are probably even more online now. I also have many infantry and artillery manuals. Rod |
David Manley | 14 Apr 2015 2:15 p.m. PST |
Now doesn't it just spoil the fun when Bill amends the title :) |
Artilleryman | 15 Apr 2015 2:09 a.m. PST |
Mallen …Touche! Least effective cavalry trumpet call in British military history? The 'Recall' |
serge joe | 15 Apr 2015 3:51 a.m. PST |
Like Always people tried to in insult me but for you out there i do not care any more I thought manuels were more of a Spanish thing….. people who make this kind of remarks have brains like an a fly!!!! nothing greetings serge joe |
serge joe | 15 Apr 2015 7:56 a.m. PST |
This link is printed in 1831! so read it before download best to you al serge joe De Brack: |
Mallen | 15 Apr 2015 12:50 p.m. PST |
Artilleryman: I remember telling a WWII gamer about the Greys at Waterloo. His comment: they were the same after they got Shermans. The brigade commander who broke some French squares at Garcia Hernandez was so blind he rode up to a RHA officer and asked "Do be good enoubh to show us the enemy." But he may have been KGL. |
deadhead | 15 Apr 2015 2:10 p.m. PST |
Serge Joe. You have started another excellent topic. Oliver Schmidt's contribution is excellent. David Manley's joke is not a personal thing…I was tempted. You may never have seen the TV show. He is not insulting, seriously. It is a laugh, but not at you. |
Brechtel198 | 15 Apr 2015 3:59 p.m. PST |
As far as I know, there was no French cavalry equivalent to the excellent 1791 Reglement for the French infantry. There was also no cavalry equivalent to the doctrinal publication by Jean du Teil for the French artillery. There was, however, a provisional ordonnance published in 1788, 'somewhat modified' by a provisional ordonnance for the French cavalry, which reflected how the Royal Army had employed cavalry-hesitantly and not very effectively-but there was no up-to-date manual of drill and tactics for the cavalry arm. The French cavalry arm learned their tactics and developed their doctrine on their own by hard experience in the Wars of the French Revolution. This experience would lead to the introduction of aggressive tactics, the cuirassier arm, and, finally, the famous and effective Cavalry Reserve. |
McLaddie | 15 Apr 2015 9:05 p.m. PST |
U.S. Col. Duane translated a two volume French cavalry manual in 1810, but the original title is not given, but here are some of the French manuals and treatises published between 1788 and 1817. Instruction Provisoire Arretée Par Le Roi Concenrant L'exercice & Les Manoeuvres Des Troupes A Cheval. Du 20 Mai 1788. Metz, 1788. France. Sovereign (1774-1792: Louis XVI). Reglement Sur La Formation, Les Appointemens & La Solde De La Cavalerie Du 1.Er Janvier 1791. Paris, e l'Imprimerie royale, 1791. 12 p. ; 28 cm.
Reglement Concernant Le Service Interieur Des Troupes A Cheval Du 24 Juin 1792. [Published ?] Conseil de la guerre. Reglement Provisoire Sur Le Service Des Troupes A Cheval En Campagne. Paris, Magimel, 1793. Instruction Concernant L'exercice Et Les Manoeuvres De La Cavalerie Legere Redigee Sur Les Ordonnances Actuellement En Activite, Et Suivie De Cent Trente-Sept Planches. Paris et a Strasbourg, Chez Magimel, libraire pour l'art militaire et les sciences et arts … ; Chez Levrault, imprimeur-libraire, An VII (1798-1799). 2 vol. Instruction Concernant l'Exercice Et Les Manoeuvres Blished: Des Troupes A Cheval, Rédigée Sur Les Ordonnances Actuellement En Activité Et Suivie De Cent Trente-Sept Planches. Paris, Magimel, An septième [1798 or 9]. Instruction Concernant Les Manoeuvres Des Troupes A Cheval, Rédigée Sur Les Ordonnances Actuellement En Activité, Et Suivie De Cent-Cinquante-Deux Planches. Nouvelle édition. A Paris, Chez Magimel, libraire pour l'art militaire et les sciences et arts, 1802, 1751. Ecole De Cavalerie, Contenant La Connoissance, L'instruction Et La Conservation Du Cheval. Paris, Chez Magimel; [etc., etc.], 1802. 2 v. plates (part fold.) 21 cm. Cordier, Jean Baptiste Remy (1771-1849). Ecole Du Cavalier A Pied, Par Demandes Et Par Reponses Pour Servir D'introduction A L'instruction Detaillee, Concernant Les Manoeuvres De La Cavalerie, Mise En Pratique A l'Ecole D'equitation De Versailles. Paris, Chez Magimel …, 1803. Instruction Theorique D'apres L'ordonnance De 1788 A L'usage Des Eleves Des Troupes A Cheval …. Milan, De l'Imprimerie francaise et italienne …, 1803. 215, France. Ministère de la guerre. Ordonnance Provisoire Sur l'Exercice Et Les Manoeuvres De Cavalerie…. Paris, Chez Magimel, 1804. 2 vols. Cavalry Regulations. 1804. France. Ministère de la guerre. Ordonnance Provisoire Sur l'Exercice Et Les Manoeuvres De Cavalerie, Rédigée Par Ordre Du Ministre De La Guerre. Du I.er Vendémiaire an XIII. Seconde édition. A Paris, Chez Magimel, libraire pour l'art militaire, 1808. Cabanis, Alex. de. Essai Sur Les Dragons Ou Abrege De L'Histoire De Cette Arme; par un officier de l'etat-major de la reserve de cavalerie. Hanover, 1808. Marx, Daniel, General. Tableaux Synoptiques Des Manoeuvres De Cavalerie, Etablis Par Demandes Et Par Reponses, Pour Faciliter L'etude Des Manoeuvres De L' Ordonnance Provisoire, Redigee, En L'an 13, par ordre de S.A.S. Mgr. le Prince de Neufchatel et de Wagram. Strassbourg, Chez Levrault, 1810. Règlement Portant Instruction sur l'Exercise Et Les Manoeuvres de la Lance Du 24 Septembre 1811. A Paris : Chez Magimel …, 1811. Manuel Des Sous-Officiers De Cavalerie Extrait Des Reglements Militaires. Hamburg, 1812. France. Ministre de la guerre. Ordonnance provisoire sur l'exercice et les manoeuvres de la cavalerie…. Paris : Chez Magimel …, 1813. [v.2] Ordonnance Provisoire sur l'Exercise et les Manoeuvres de la Cavalerie. Redigee par ordre du ministre de la guere du 1er Vendemiaire an AIII. Paris, chez Cordier, 1814. Instruction de Detail sur l'Exercice et les Manoeuvres de la Cavalerie. [seconde edition]. Paris, Chez Magimel …, 1814-1815. 2 v France. Ministère de la guerre. Ordonnance Provisoire Sur Exercise Et Les Manoeuvres De La Cavalerie …. 3e ed. Paris, Magimel, 1815. XXIII, 498, 8 p. cm. LoC: UE228 .A22 Preval, Claude Antoine Hippolyte, vicomte de (1776-1853). Memoires sur l'Organisation de la Cavalerie et sur l'Administration des Corps. Paris, Magimel, Anselin et Pochard, Crapelet, 1816. Chatelain, Rene Julien, Baron (1771-1836). Manuel De Cavalerie, A L'usage Des Cavaliers, Brigadiers, Et Sous-Officiers, En Temps De Paix Et En Temps De Guerre …. Paris, Didot jeune, 1817. |
von Winterfeldt | 15 Apr 2015 11:07 p.m. PST |
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McLaddie | 16 Apr 2015 7:27 a.m. PST |
VW: I just pulled it from a Napoleon Series article. Military men were writing a lot of treatises and manuals during the Napoleonic wars. 'How to' books were necessary and often written up by military men for specific circumstances and needs, such as Ney's 1804 and Davout's 1811 instructions. Note the number of 'provisional' instructions. It wasn't odd at all to have corps commanders and stray officers writing up treatises and manuals for use in all of the armies. |
serge joe | 16 Apr 2015 8:26 a.m. PST |
folty towers? greetings serge joe |
wrgmr1 | 17 Apr 2015 10:07 a.m. PST |
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Greystreak | 17 Apr 2015 3:00 p.m. PST |
I think you meant "Fawlty Towers", surely? |
Brechtel198 | 18 Apr 2015 9:34 a.m. PST |
U.S. Col. Duane translated a two volume French cavalry manual in 1810, but the original title is not given, but here are some of the French manuals and treatises published between 1788 and 1817. 1.Instruction Provisoire Arretée Par Le Roi Concenrant L'exercice & Les Manoeuvres Des Troupes A Cheval. Du 20 Mai 1788. Metz, 1788. France. Sovereign (1774-1792: Louis XVI). Reglement Sur La Formation, Les 2.Appointemens & La Solde De La Cavalerie Du 1.Er Janvier 1791. Paris, e l'Imprimerie royale, 1791. 12 p. ; 28 cm. 3.Reglement Concernant Le Service Interieur Des Troupes A Cheval Du 24 Juin 1792. [Published ?] 4.Conseil de la guerre. Reglement Provisoire Sur Le Service Des Troupes A Cheval En Campagne. Paris, Magimel, 1793. 5.Instruction Concernant L'exercice Et Les Manoeuvres De La Cavalerie Legere Redigee Sur Les Ordonnances Actuellement En Activite, Et Suivie De Cent Trente-Sept Planches. Paris et a Strasbourg, Chez Magimel, libraire pour l'art militaire et les sciences et arts … ; Chez Levrault, imprimeur-libraire, An VII (1798-1799). 2 vol. 6.Instruction Concernant l'Exercice Et Les Manoeuvres Blished: Des Troupes A Cheval, Rédigée Sur Les Ordonnances Actuellement En Activité Et Suivie De Cent Trente-Sept Planches. Paris, Magimel, An septième [1798 or 9]. 7.Instruction Concernant Les Manoeuvres Des Troupes A Cheval, Rédigée Sur Les Ordonnances Actuellement En Activité, Et Suivie De Cent-Cinquante-Deux Planches. Nouvelle édition. A Paris, Chez Magimel, libraire pour l'art militaire et les sciences et arts, 1802, 1751. 8.Ecole De Cavalerie, Contenant La Connoissance, L'instruction Et La Conservation Du Cheval. Paris, Chez Magimel; [etc., etc.], 1802. 2 v. plates (part fold.) 21 cm. 9.Cordier, Jean Baptiste Remy (1771-1849). Ecole Du Cavalier A Pied, Par Demandes Et Par Reponses Pour Servir D'introduction A L'instruction Detaillee, Concernant Les Manoeuvres De La Cavalerie, Mise En Pratique A l'Ecole D'equitation De Versailles. Paris, Chez Magimel …, 1803. 10.Instruction Theorique D'apres L'ordonnance De 1788 A L'usage Des Eleves Des Troupes A Cheval …. Milan, De l'Imprimerie francaise et italienne …, 1803. 215, 11.France. Ministère de la guerre. Ordonnance Provisoire Sur l'Exercice Et Les Manoeuvres De Cavalerie…. Paris, Chez Magimel, 1804. 2 vols. 12.Cavalry Regulations. 1804. 13.France. Ministère de la guerre. Ordonnance Provisoire Sur l'Exercice Et Les Manoeuvres De Cavalerie, Rédigée Par Ordre Du Ministre De La Guerre. Du I.er Vendémiaire an XIII. Seconde édition. A Paris, Chez Magimel, libraire pour l'art militaire, 1808. 14.Cabanis, Alex. de. Essai Sur Les Dragons Ou Abrege De L'Histoire De Cette Arme; par un officier de l'etat-major de la reserve de cavalerie. Hanover, 1808. 15.Marx, Daniel, General. Tableaux Synoptiques Des Manoeuvres De Cavalerie, Etablis Par Demandes Et Par Reponses, Pour Faciliter L'etude Des Manoeuvres De L' Ordonnance Provisoire, Redigee, En L'an 13, par ordre de S.A.S. Mgr. le Prince de Neufchatel et de Wagram. Strassbourg, Chez Levrault, 1810. 16.Règlement Portant Instruction sur l'Exercise Et Les Manoeuvres de la Lance Du 24 Septembre 1811. A Paris : Chez Magimel …, 1811. 17.Manuel Des Sous-Officiers De Cavalerie Extrait Des Reglements Militaires. Hamburg, 1812. 18.France. Ministre de la guerre. Ordonnance provisoire sur l'exercice et les manoeuvres de la cavalerie…. Paris : Chez Magimel …, 1813. [v.2] 19.Ordonnance Provisoire sur l'Exercise et les Manoeuvres de la Cavalerie. Redigee par ordre du ministre de la guere du 1er Vendemiaire an AIII. Paris, chez Cordier, 1814. 20.Instruction de Detail sur l'Exercice et les Manoeuvres de la Cavalerie. [seconde edition]. Paris, Chez Magimel …, 1814-1815. 2 v 21.France. Ministère de la guerre. Ordonnance Provisoire Sur Exercise Et Les Manoeuvres De La Cavalerie …. 3e ed. Paris, Magimel, 1815. XXIII, 498, 8 p. cm. LoC: UE228 .A22 22.Preval, Claude Antoine Hippolyte, vicomte de (1776-1853). Memoires sur l'Organisation de la Cavalerie et sur l'Administration des Corps. Paris, Magimel, Anselin et Pochard, Crapelet, 1816. 23.Chatelain, Rene Julien, Baron (1771-1836). Manuel De Cavalerie, A L'usage Des Cavaliers, Brigadiers, Et Sous-Officiers, En Temps De Paix Et En Temps De Guerre …. Paris, Didot jeune, 1817. I spent a little time looking these up to find what subjects they actually covered. It is an excellent listing. Some I could find, and others not, but looking on Google Books some of these are available for downloading and further research. In my previous response I was thinking of what was mentioned in the OP, that of an equivalent of the 1791 Reglement for the infantry, not other cavalry subjects that might be in a reglement or ordonnance. I have numbered them for ease of reference in this posting. 1. Mentioned in my first posting here. 2. A 12 page document signed by Duportail, the Minister of War. 3. A regulation concerned with ‘police et discipline.' 4. Found a 1792 version, not one from 1793. 5, 6, 7, 18, & 19 appear to be different editions of the same regulation, following from the first one on the listing from 1788. 8. Instruction on equitation. 9. Not found. 10. Not found. 11. Not found. 12. Not found. 13. 1808 or 1811? Might be another update of the first one on the list. 14. Not found. 15. Appears to be more history than regulations. 16. An instruction on drill with the lance because of the creation of the six French line lancer regiments that year. 17. Not found. 20, 21 22, 23 seem to be ‘newer' publications based on the experience gained during the wars. If anyone has more information or the inclination in looking for some, it would be greatly appreciated. |
serge joe | 19 Apr 2015 7:10 a.m. PST |
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Oliver Schmidt | 20 Apr 2015 10:06 a.m. PST |
See some more (links by Steve): link link link link #11 & 12 is Ordonnance provisoire sur l'exercice et les manœuvres de la Cavalerie, etc. 1804. xxiii, 514 p.; 8º. British Library: 8831.g.39 : link sudoc.fr/171353226 link |
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