"Line drawings of Mexico Revolutionaries 1910-1930" Topic

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Scale: first 20 mm/1:72, but after that also 28 mm I suppose…

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The Strelets Boers actually suit this period better than the Boer War. One of the foot figures is even throwing a stick of dynamite!

In plastic, in 54mm please.

Yep Henry, I have that set, and the dynamite guy is definitely more bsndito than Boer.

Ditto on the 54mm

Yes, HAT should do this

And some of the poses have very un-Boer, but very American, low-slung gun-belts

They already exist in 54mm. Armies In Plastic 54mm Spanish American War Spanish are almost exactly like the drawings…and many of their Boers are equally as suited to the MR.

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Federales – use Japanese

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Sorry Mike, but aside from the fact that both types wore broad-brimmed hats SAW Spanish regulars didn't look like Mexican revolutionaries, and there were numerous differences between Japanese and federal Mexican uniforms and equipment.

Good suggestion mike. There are some differences of course between the specific uniforms, but with painting and slight conversions you can get what you needed. On the table who's going to notice the difference from 6 feet away.

The suggestion for the Mexican figures is very good. Are these going to be made from polystyrene plastic or from soft plastic. If the latter how do you get those pieces to stick on? I have never been able to get paint to stick to soft plastic figures or been able to glue them together.

You must have unusually long arms, Bob :).

I would think that from the average viewing distance of three feet or so, in the case of your Federal substitutes obviously Japanese features that would give the game away would be the hat shape (somewhere between the Saumur kepi and the later peaked cap), the pouch-belt rather than bandolier equipment, the pack and blanket roll on the back, and the gaiters.

I've used SAW Spanish with a head swap for elite Federal units (guards and cadets), who actually did wear pouch-belt equipment, but unless you're severely myopic they won't pass for revolutionaries, who should be mostly in assorted civilian costume and festooned with bandoliers.

Henry,
You must play very close to the wargame table -- 3 feet? Most people I know stand at the table especially with 54 mm figures, 5 to 6 feet from the top of the table. Even when reaching down to move the figures I'm still at arms length and waist to eye distance from the figures. I am happy to put up with discrepancies between historical uniforms and gaming representations in order to enjoy a particular scenario. I have often replaced the sub par figures with appropriate ones once they are available.

Horrors, I have even played games with plastic unpainted figures to try them out.

I guess I too would rather play the games than fret over details that are not noticed once the figures are on the table… Napoleonic figures battling on the wargames table are invariably in full/parade dress and players love them – but they are completely inaccurate historically.

And whilst not wishing to sound the wrong note, I've studied hundreds of photos of the MR and I reckon every possible combination of clothing and equipment is there somewhere. For example one Revolutionary unit was uniformed in rayadillo (from prisoners' clothing), the traditional striped material of the Spanish army at the time. Pouches of all kinds appear on men, alongside bandoleers.

As to facial features – the majority of soldiers on all sides were of Indian extraction or pure Indian, with Mongoloid-like features…With the right paint colour and and a droopy black moustache (sorry about the stereotyping) the Japanese face looks spot-on!

The 'details' will be noticed by anyone with sufficient interest in the MR to have researched what was actually worn. Yes, there's a degree of flexibility with MR costume because of a dearth of precise information, but mainly when it comes to auxiliary units; the clothing and equipment of the core Federal regulars and revolutionaries are well known. I do think we should avoid an 'anything goes' attitude and try to be as accurate as possible within the constraints of the available information.

That revolutionary brigade in prison uniforms was part of the Constitutionalist forces of the 1915 struggles between they and Villa's and Zapata's Conventionalists. This was a phase of the revolution when both sides (with the exception of the Zapatistas) were making concerted efforts to professionalise their armies. Uniforms were considered an essential component of this process, but there was a shortage of the US cast-offs and local copies thereof that clothed most units, so any sort of uniform was considered preferable to civilian clothing.

Rayadillo is just a term used to describe the fine-striped colouring of clothing, which for us comes down to paint choices. I don't know what pattern that particular 'uniform' was cut to, and I doubt if there's any way to find out, but the chances of it looking exactly like SAW Spanish military uniform are slim. The headgear and equipment (no doubt including the usual bandoliers) worn would of course have been within the same range of variation as those of other Constitutionalist units – not Spanish SAW units.

Henry Martini – clearly you have studied the MR – rather than us continuing friendly 'bickering' please take a look at my recent MR post in this forum (Early 20th C Painting Guides) on the carrying of carbines/rifles when mounted, which clearly shows I too fret over the details sometimes. ;-)

If you can you contribute positively to that issue in the same way you have here I would be very glad of your informed input.

Bickering Mike? Where you see contention I see only discussion. Isn't that the purpose of TMP, after all?

I haven't examined the issue that troubles you because for someone using 28mm figures it's a non-issue; I just have to accept the depiction of firearm portage offered on the available miniatures. But given their irregular character I would think that for revolutionaries at least it would have been an individual decision.

A well done series of Mexican-produced historical documentaries on the 1910-1920 revolutionary period (English-subtitled) has recently appeared on Netflix. They feature a good deal of period photos and film footage.

FWIW.

B

There are also some YT videos like this: youtu.be/pVWcgOcvgV0

Haven't had time to watch it all yet but it's a start.

Are there any good histories with lots of photos?