| Tango01 | 27 Mar 2015 10:08 p.m. PST |
… Allies No Longer Trust Us Because Of Fears That Intel Might Be Leaked To Iran. YouTube link This is a devastating assessment! Amicalement
Armand |
| Cyrus the Great | 27 Mar 2015 11:06 p.m. PST |
Oh, I'm sure it went both ways, long before this latest set of developments. |
 Legion 4   | 28 Mar 2015 8:54 a.m. PST |
Really !?  Captain Renault: I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!
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| Tango01 | 28 Mar 2015 11:08 a.m. PST |
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| doug redshirt | 28 Mar 2015 11:54 a.m. PST |
I sort of like the idea of playing both sides off against each other. After all how many of the 9/11 terrorist were Saudis? What have the Sunnis ever done for us? |
| Mako11 | 28 Mar 2015 12:58 p.m. PST |
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| 15mm and 28mm Fanatik | 28 Mar 2015 2:46 p.m. PST |
The US "alliance" with Iran against Daesh in Iraq and Syria is exaggerated and tenuous at best. One of the conditions placed on the battle of Tikrit for the airstrikes is that all the shia militias have to sit out and take a backseat to the purely sunni Iraqi forces assaulting Tikrit so that Iran and the shias wouldn't commit atrocities and get too much credit (influence) in the subsequent victory. |
| tuscaloosa | 28 Mar 2015 4:00 p.m. PST |
What's your source for that, 28mm Fanatik? |
| Cacique Caribe | 28 Mar 2015 4:47 p.m. PST |
Being how bad our choices in allies have been like these past few years, I wouldn't trust us either. Dan |
| MechanicalHorizon | 28 Mar 2015 8:56 p.m. PST |
That's OK, America doesn't have allies. We have "interests". |
| mandt2 | 28 Mar 2015 10:30 p.m. PST |
Okay. I have half of the solution. We should cut off negotiations with Iran immediately. Now what? Tango, you started this. What do you think we should do? Mako, you always seem to have an opinion about these things. What would you do? |
| Tango01 | 28 Mar 2015 11:36 p.m. PST |
Me?… I left the zone as soon as possible.
Let's them killing one another! Amicalement
Armand |
| Mako11 | 29 Mar 2015 11:56 a.m. PST |
Let both sides fight it out, since it appears ISIS is a reasonable counterbalance to Iran. Demand Iran stop funding terrorism, and terrorist groups, around the globe, and stop all uranium enrichment, immediately and verifiably. Open all sites, including secret ones to full, and surprise inspections, immediately. For their nuke program, reimpose very stiff sanctions (harsher than before), as well as a naval blockade, if they won't stop enriching uranium. If they really want just nuke power, we can provide the fuel for them, safely, like we do for other nations. Warn them that violations of the above may/will result in immediate, kinetic, regime toppling actions. Work to topple their regime from all sides, since there are a lot of younger Iranians who seek freedom, but were not acknowledged, and were ignored, back in 2009, if they won't go along with the above. If they continue on their current path, we go to war with allies in the region, since fighting them now, before they get nukes (assuming they haven't already assembled them) is far preferable than afterwards. |
| Cacique Caribe | 29 Mar 2015 1:09 p.m. PST |
Ideas? Maybe a unified 22-nation Arab federation is just what needed to happen, to solve Netanyahu's issues with Iran and its proxies (would that include the U.S. now?). Then maybe they can all hold hands and sing kumbaya(?) After the singing is done, they can then move on to finish off ISIS! "Now as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you. For when they shall say, 'peace and security'; then shall sudden destruction come upon them, as the pains upon her that is with child, and they shall not escape." 1 Thessalonians V Come on guys. Where's your sense of adventure? Let's be the next incarnation of the "Millennium Group" and open the way for Armageddon! link Dan
PS. As long as "some people" don't sabotage that Arab coalition … |
| tuscaloosa | 29 Mar 2015 2:50 p.m. PST |
"Demand Iran stop…." We have very little credibility or force to back up such demands. Our decade-long adventure in Iraq exposed the vaunted U.S. military as not really that effective in MidEast wars. If we couldn't successfully impose our will in Iraq after having invaded and occupied it, why on Earth would we be successful in invading and occupying Iran, a country that has more than twice the population? You would think that if there's one thing some of my more bellicose countrymen would have learned the past decade, *just one thing*, it's that MidEast wars are easy to get into, but hard to get out of. |
| Mako11 | 29 Mar 2015 3:30 p.m. PST |
The Iraqis and their proxies were quickly crushed. Even intel intercepts of the holdouts there professed their defeat in 2008, and told their compatriots not to send any more foreign fighters into the region. The current VP said Iraq was a major success. Then, they pulled everyone out, and Iraq spiraled out of control again, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. |
| mandt2 | 30 Mar 2015 9:56 p.m. PST |
Dang. I missed some good stuff. Tango & Mako- philosophically I agree with your "Let both sides fight it out," opinion. Beyond that, I just don't think it is realistic to think that we can control the situation like that. We have never been able to bend any nation in the Middle East to our will. Also, we have never won an asymmetrical war. There is scant reason to think that we would in this case either. Outstanding Dan! |
